Comments Thread For: Espinoza Feels Joshua Wants Wilder Fight, Hearn Does Not

[Scipio2009]

I feel like it's pretty clear that a sensible offer has been offered to Wilder by Hearn. 60/40 is a very fair deal by any sensible reckoning. I don't think you can really claim that Hearn doesn't want the fight at this moment in time. In the past I would have totally agreed, but not based on the most current information.

Bad faith makes even fair offers seem unfair, tbh.

If all he'd said last year was "Thanks for clarifying the deal to me. We like the matchup, but we'd rather handle this Povetkin fight first", the disparaging words would've been kept to a minimum but folks would've understand (saying that you'd fight on the spot for $50m, only to not fight when offered $50m isn't something that just goes away).

That didn't happen (a move made worse by Joshua jumping to DAZN just as Showtime was working out a deal extension). Hearn kept with the low-ball offer, tried to set it up that Joshua simply dictated everything, and even bait/switched the date.

Wilder-Fury ends up being a great fight, a financially successful fight (if the rumors are true, the fighters ended up splitting $25m between them), and now Hearn comes forward with the fair offer (while still **** talking Wilder, Finkell, Espinoza, and Wilder's camp).

Hurt feelings makes 60/40 no longer work; a couple points to Wilder (2%-5% imo), and an actual honest negotiation (trying to freeze out Showtime/CBS from arguably the biggest fight that Wilder would ever see was the second dumbest thing that Hearn did) and there's a deal there to be had.

[Scipio2009]

Its been a few days since that Twitter exchange between Hearn and Espinoza. If there was a single shred of proof of those 3 pages being sent we would of seen it by now. Espinoza would of shown it to social media, Finkel would and so would Wilder and the LBDC would be making a hundred videos a day about it. I dont think we are seeing any proof of anything, which is something we keep saying more and more about Team Wilder and the things they claim.

When has Espinoza, the executive vice president of Showtime, ever gone public with anything to feed social media?

Hearn sitting for an interview with IFL TV, detailing the reality that he asked Haymon a bunch of questions about the offer, with Haymon answering all of his questions, is damning enough. You add that Hearn then sent the offer to Joshua's camp to make a binary US/UK decision on is even more damning.

Big bank take little bank.

[Oshio]

Would Wilder fans ever outgrow this 50m narrative! I mean, who offers a 50m and gives 24 hour deadline to promoters to accept? Who offers 50million with no contract

[Scipio2009]

dazn is doing a loss leader they have budgeted a number of billions to lose.
The failure would be if their subscribers base doesn't grow but given they have a canelo vs jacobs and us joshua fight in the same month hard to see it wouldn't.

^^^^wrong!

[DaNeutral.]

When has Espinoza, the executive vice president of Showtime, ever gone public with anything to feed social media?

Hearn sitting for an interview with IFL TV, detailing the reality that he asked Haymon a bunch of questions about the offer, with Haymon answering all of his questions, is damning enough. You add that Hearn then sent the offer to Joshua's camp to make a binary US/UK decision on is even more damning.

Big bank take little bank.

What has that got to do with anything i just said?

[EnglishOxide]

With Joshua not formally tied to DAZN, and Callum Smith/Kell Brook the only world names tied to him for any real length of time (interested in knowing Brook's deal, tbh; Jacobs may stay, but he's moving three fights at a time. Buatsi, Kelly, and the other 2016 fighters aren't there yet), what's to stop DAZN from choosing to opt out of the deal with Hearn, make Golden Boy the lead outfit for DAZN in the US, and shop Hearn fights on a show-by-show basis?

If Jacobs beats Canelo then Hearn owns middleweight with Jacobs and Andrade, cruiserweight with Usyk and heavyweight with Joshua.

What's to stop DAZN getting rid of Golden Boy?

Don't make up ****** narratives.

[Scipio2009]

I still don't understand how you idiotic Wilder fans can sit here and follow him when he is blatantly ducking AJ. If I came to you and offered you a job working for Google paying 10 times what you made now, would you take it? Or would you talk **** about Google and call the money "crackhead money"? Wilder can, as of right now, fight Fury on PPV for millions, fight Whyte on PPV for millions, fight AJ for tens of millions on PPV...or he can go ahead and fight Breazeale (AJ's leftovers) or Kownacki for 1-2 million. Now which one of these do you think he will do? That's right, the one where he ducks EVERYBODY and fights one of the lesser opponents. That's either him being a ducker...or just plain ******. Now which one is he???

Ten times what I make now, but knowing full well that that the last guy in the job got 5% of the company yet my own package is worth maybe 3% of the company?

Yeah, I'm saying **** Google, two times because I know (and Google knows) that I'm worth more than the person that got the 5%.

You're ignoring the forest for a tree, lol

[Scipio2009]

All the positives you are expressing about Hearn's efforts are based on what? They are based on what Hearn has said and as Espinosa states, Hearn has little regard for the truth. So maybe the truth is Hearn is more concerned with his promoting income than with making the Joshua/Wilder fight. The best thing AJ can do is to get rid of Hearn and find a promoter that puts his fighters interests ahead of his own.

Hearn has the exclusive deal with Sky Sports; Joshua is unlikely to go anywhere.

[sportbuddha]

If there was any doubt about this guys reputation maybe listen to what was said about Espinoza by Conor in the Mayweather build up.

A guy from a rival business, suggesting a deal couldn’t be done because of DAZN, which is odd, because as leading businessman in getting deals done between networks, thats actually his job, so the irony is that he’s basically saying he did a terrible job in that negotiation.

I particularly like the line that they sent a 3 page document that didn’t have anywhere to sign it and didn’t hear anything back. Erm firstly if in any other business you wrote a proposal that fell on deaf ears you would wonder how bad that contract must have been to lose out, it wouldn’t be the clients fault. Secondly, all the talk at the time was ‘sign it Hearn blah blah’ and he actually couldn’t sign it LOL

[Tyistall]

Ten times what I make now, but knowing full well that that the last guy in the job got 5% of the company yet my own package is worth maybe 3% of the company?

Yeah, I'm saying **** Google, two times because I know (and Google knows) that I'm worth more than the person that got the 5%.

You're ignoring the forest for a tree, lol

Then I can't debate with you because you may have rode the short bus as a child, because that's ******ed haha. When AJ fought Parker, AJ had 3 belts. Now, with the WBO belt, he has 4 to Wilder's 1. And Wilder wants 50%??? He should be getting 25% just off belts alone, and that's besides the PPV and attendance numbers. But again, Wilder fans are ******, so you will argue this ******ity to death for your ducking chumpion