Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo-GGG III, Spence-Garcia, Froch, More

[alexjust]

In boxing Prime vs Prime has always been a narrative. No version of Gennady stops Prime Canelo. Canelo now stops all of GGG’s former opponents.

Canelo is in his prime now. And he couldn't convincingly beat past his prime GGG. Let alone knock him out. That should tell you something about GGG. And you can extrapolate how it must have been to fight GGG when he was 32.

DLH made a mistake by feeding green Canelo to Floyd. He learned from it and did not make this mistake again with GGG and played the waiting game. If he waited another 4 years, probably Canelo would have knocked out GGG.

The problem with fighters being 8 years apart is that you never really know who is truly better because it is impossible for both of them to be in their prime. For those who learn about boxing from Wikipedia it may be sufficient, personally I want to understand who is genuinely better than the other and it is impossible with GGG and Canelo. And appreciate my tact: I didn't even bring up Canelo's secret "talent" - "118-110".

[Steven Mccowan]

why not, it worked for Golovkin for the past 6 years

people still recycle that bullshlt

Golovkin took the fights he wanted, and he passed on the rest..... just like everyone else

he could have fought Cotto, Ward, Lara, Saunders, Charlo, etc

Why not? Because it's not true and can and will stop real fights from happening.. I don't like that as a boxing fan. I hate to see ppl who should know better repeat it like a moron. Need some real leaders in the boxing world who calls BS on such things. New start, some credibility to the sport etc etc etc etc

[greeneye99]

why not, it worked for Golovkin for the past 6 years

people still recycle that bullshlt

Golovkin took the fights he wanted, and he passed on the rest..... just like everyone else

he could have fought Cotto, Ward, Lara, Saunders, Charlo, etc

That's a Lie
Al Haymon never let Charlo Lara fight Triple G on HBO

[Thuglife Nelo]

Canelo is in his prime now. And he couldn't convincingly beat past his prime GGG. Let alone knock him out. That should tell you something about GGG. And you can extrapolate how it must have been to fight GGG when he was 32.

DLH made a mistake by feeding green Canelo to Floyd. He learned from it and did not make this mistake again with GGG and played the waiting game. If he waited another 4 years, probably Canelo would have knocked out GGG.

The problem with fighters being 8 years apart is that you never really know who is truly better because it is impossible for both of them to be in their prime. For those who learn about boxing from Wikipedia it may be sufficient, personally I want to understand who is genuinely better than the other and it is impossible with GGG and Canelo. And appreciate my tact: I didn't even bring up Canelo's secret "talent" - "118-110".

Nope. A 32 year old GGG nor a 28 year old GGG beats Prime Canelo. You’re not even taking into account the boxer’s weight. Canelo is now a full fledged Middleweight. A 32 year old GGG has a better chance against 23 year old Canelo but that’s not Prime Canelo nor was he as big. Big fights morph a fighter’s Ring IQ too

[alexjust]

Nope. A 32 year old GGG nor a 28 year old GGG beats Prime Canelo. You’re not even taking into account the boxer’s weight. Canelo is now a full fledged Middleweight. A 32 year old GGG has a better chance against 23 year old Canelo but that’s not Prime Canelo nor was he as big. Big fights morph a fighter’s Ring IQ too

This conversation makes no sense anymore. Throwing in hypotheticals based on personal preference is not a sound foundation for a dialog. Any GGG fan would say prime Canelo would have convincingly lost to prime GGG. Another hypothetical just like yours. Argue with it if you want while I'm out.

[Thuglife Nelo]

This conversation makes no sense anymore. Throwing in hypotheticals based on personal preference is not a sound foundation for a dialog. Any GGG fan would say prime Canelo would have convincingly lost to prime GGG. Another hypothetical just like yours. Argue with it if you want while I'm out.

Hypotheticals? Ok, when was GGG’s Prime? What age? Pick any of those fights. Make a thread and ask the forum which of any those fights (from the year you think gGG is prime) to facing Canelo now in his Prime.

Don’t be afraid, you can do it. Just watch boxing.

[Sledgeweather17]

It bothers me to see Andre Ward regarded on the same level as Michael Spinks. I just don't see anything he's done to elevate him to that level. Would he finish a fight with Qawi? Eddie Mustafa Muhammad? Would he beat Hagler? And another thing; Floyd Mayweather. Would he survive 15 with Hearns? I question these and many other assertions I read. There is much food for thought and the new agers claim that the constant advances in nutrition and training methods raise modern athletes way above those of days gone by. I still see no evidence of anyone with a right hand of Tommy Hearns in quickness, accuracy or effect. Or for that matter, the right of Arguello. I see no one who I believe would have beaten Aaron Pryor whose non-stop attack for 15 rounds, we'll never see again. There was indeed a "golden age" in boxing and I feel very fortunate to have witnessed it live. You keep rattling cobwebs and bringing back memories that make me dig out old VHS tapes and I am enjoying it. Thanks,....and keep rattling

Mayweather has insane stamina I never seen him gassed before, and he is notorious for his high concentration levels throughout a fight.

I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to survive fifteen with Hearns.

People want to argue that Hearns would stop him but how do you justify such an assertion when Mayweather has never even been dropped much less even come close to being stopped. There is no evidence to suggest Mayweather can be stopped by Hearns.

[Sledgeweather17]

MARTINEZ vs Cotto was a NON-FIGHT. Nobody can take it as a serious demonstration of skill. Martinez was a sitting duck. Zero mobility. FACT. Cotto would never have beaten Martinez if they were BOTH healthy. Another FACT.

I think Bread must have been smoking pot when he wrote that shet. I dunno what the hell he was thinking.

He always ruins an otherwise brilliant mailberg with ****** shet like that.

No doubt he the most knowledgeable writer on this site but his personal biases sometimes are just plain ridiculous.

[Sledgeweather17]

Andre Ward was a great fighter but Bread has him too high in my opinion. I think he is somewhere between ATG and HOF. Maybe 3rd level ATG. If he would have won more convincingly and cleaner against Kov I'd have him a notch higher. Depending what Kov does from here on out could elevate Ward a bit.

I think Bread is rating Ward on what Ward could have been instead of what he was.

Fact of the matter is that injuries and that long ass hiatus he took ruined Ward.

If Ward had been active throughout those years he would have steam rolled Kovalev. As it is he was rusty aphuck in the first Kovalev fight. You could tell this was a guy who aint faced elite comp for years. He was slower and he wasn't used to that elite power anymore, hence the knock down and Kov looking faster than Ward was.

Credit to him for making brilliant adjustments in that first fight though.

I knew in the rematch Ward would be stronger, faster, more agile, and have better timing overall. Kov was always gonna lose badly in the second fight and he was never gonna get a KD on Ward again.

Ward was regaining his peak in the second fight and I believe the fight after that we would have seen the real Ward again, and then he went and retired, idiot.

Anyway point is, Ward has the natural and mental ability to be in that class of greats, but just too much inacivity man.

[Mario040481]

Does anyone know if there's any truth to the following: recently read in an article from 2014 at boxing.com that when HBO knew what they had in GGG, they knowingly created the GGG "ducked, dodged, most feared boogeyman of the middleweight division in boxing" myth, whom couldn't land a "real" fight with a quality opponent, by ridiculously low balling the big name opponents he should've been fighting, and when good fighters said "**** that bs amount money" as they knew they would, they could then, and technically they wouldn't be lying, say "fighter 'A' turned down the fight, that's why we're fighting the dude who knocked Kirkland out in the 1st rd and also lost his last 2 fights! It's not HBO or GGG's fault! Everyone's a scared!"
Truth or sour g****s?