Comments Thread For: Ortiz, Wilder Want To Fight Again; When & Why Are Still TBD

[5000boxing]

Boy almost the exact way I feel.Had GGG winning a close BUT CLEAR dec in 1st fight and 2nd a draw.Also had him losing to Lara by 2 but no prob with dec it was a very close fight(Canelo's body punching)I did have him beating Trout but just by 1(the KD)and yea I really respected him for fighting Trout and Lara who most would avoid if they could(and he could).And now Jacobs was pretty surprised he took that fight.Im not a HUGE fan of Canelo partly because the PED issue and his "luck"with judges(one judge even had him even with May which was not close and even Canelo will admit that).But the kid's got ba lls when it comes to the negotiating table where so many other's fall short.I look forward to talking boxing with you in the future seems we are like minded.Have a great day.

Definitely.. the PED situation put a bad taste in my mouth.. but hey.. but because of his bravery, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and even create a fake cover story for him. Like.. " maybe he ate a thousand steak tacos in Mexico.. a hour before his urine sample was requested???.. LMAO.. but seriously.. how many fighters are clean??? And have made it to the top with any "extra help?" Probably none.. LOL

[SHOOTALLCLOWNS]

Yeah, I know and I get all of that but Joshua and Hearn are going to have to do it his way and on his terms. If Wilder really wants a 50/50 purse split then it's going to have to be a 50/50 purse split.

Moreover, Joshua and Matchroom Sport, if they really serious and sincere about wanting this fight, then they must be willing to bend and to bend some more in order to satisfy Deontay Wilder and make the fight happen or there won't be a fight. The "Bronze Bomber" has dug in his heels and it's just a battle of wills now.

Like I said; Wilder is a born rebel and a loner who doesn't give a good damn what others may think or care about him or his career moves.

the fact is that wilder is the clear b side to joshua hearn and joshua know this and they will never allow wilder 50/50 they will never give in to wilder's demands. hearn and joshua have egos just as big if not bigger than wilder. wilder will price himself out of the fight if he keeps it up. wilder is getting older and doesn't have much time left to screw around.

[Adamsc151]

Yeah, that is another one (canelo)...well, dont wonder no more!!! The reason is the corruption....WeBeCorrupt (WBC)....they and the WBA are pretty flagrante about it....WBO is pretty much bought off by Top Rank...and the IBF???? What are your thoughts on that IBF

I don't always agree with the rankings that IBF come up with, but they seem the most even and consistent with applying their rules. In recent years they've had the most form for stripping champs who avoid mandatory challengers.
I also like what they are trying to achieve with the 2nd weigh-in on fight day. Aside from PEDs, dehydration and re-hydration is the biggest danger in pro Boxing. Some fighters seem to be able to re-hydrate up to 24 lbs in 24 hours, and look 2 or 3 divisions heavier than their opponent in the ring. Also dehydration shrinks the brain away from the skull wall. If a fighter is still dehydrated in the ring, it can literally cause their brain to rattle when taking a punch. I don't think it's coincidence that the majority of boxing-related deaths and brain damage seem to happen to fighters who have to make weight - Aside from Ali, I can't think of too many cases in the HW division.

[TexasCowBoy]

I don't always agree with the rankings that IBF come up with, but they seem the most even and consistent with applying their rules. In recent years they've had the most form for stripping champs who avoid mandatory challengers.
I also like what they are trying to achieve with the 2nd weigh-in on fight day. Aside from PEDs, dehydration and re-hydration is the biggest danger in pro Boxing. Some fighters seem to be able to re-hydrate up to 24 lbs in 24 hours, and look 2 or 3 divisions heavier than their opponent in the ring. Also dehydration shrinks the brain away from the skull wall. If a fighter is still dehydrated in the ring, it can literally cause their brain to rattle when taking a punch. I don't think it's coincidence that the majority of boxing-related deaths and brain damage seem to happen to fighters who have to make weight - Aside from Ali, I can't think of too many cases in the HW division.

Yeah, I agree 100% on your comment especially dehydration affecting the brain

[john l]

Definitely.. the PED situation put a bad taste in my mouth.. but hey.. but because of his bravery, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and even create a fake cover story for him. Like.. " maybe he ate a thousand steak tacos in Mexico.. a hour before his urine sample was requested???.. LMAO.. but seriously.. how many fighters are clean??? And have made it to the top with any "extra help?" Probably none.. LOL

Well I would not say none Wilder pays for 365 Vada testing as do a few others(makes his power all that more impressive).But yea a lot of these guys are juicing even some who might not want to but feel they have no choice.I think ANY A-side fighter who don't ask for it(testing) is very su****ious as why would they trust their opponent's???

[john l]

I don't always agree with the rankings that IBF come up with, but they seem the most even and consistent with applying their rules. In recent years they've had the most form for stripping champs who avoid mandatory challengers.
I also like what they are trying to achieve with the 2nd weigh-in on fight day. Aside from PEDs, dehydration and re-hydration is the biggest danger in pro Boxing. Some fighters seem to be able to re-hydrate up to 24 lbs in 24 hours, and look 2 or 3 divisions heavier than their opponent in the ring. Also dehydration shrinks the brain away from the skull wall. If a fighter is still dehydrated in the ring, it can literally cause their brain to rattle when taking a punch. I don't think it's coincidence that the majority of boxing-related deaths and brain damage seem to happen to fighters who have to make weight - Aside from Ali, I can't think of too many cases in the HW division.

I agree IBF is prob the best of the alpha bit boys but that's a bit like calling them the best kidney stone pain I have had lol.And also agree about being dehydrated gives you a better chance of brain damage.Less fluid around brain=less padding for brain.

[5000boxing]

Well I would not say none Wilder pays for 365 Vada testing as do a few others(makes his power all that more impressive).But yea a lot of these guys are juicing even some who might not want to but feel they have no choice.I think ANY A-side fighter who don't ask for it(testing) is very su****ious as why would they trust their opponent's???

Yea.. Wilder's power is legit.. he ain't going no where.. they trying to wait on him to get old.. lol.

[john l]

Yea.. Wilder's power is legit.. he ain't going no where.. they trying to wait on him to get old.. lol.

He is flawed no doulbt(bad footwork,balence,no hook,no real body work)but he has GREAT power in right hand up with any man in history I think.He also has a very good jab when not fighting a southpaw(fury switch hitter.Ortiz)the one he came out with vs Stieverne was smoking.He has also shown at LEAST a decent chin and seems to also have REAL dog in him.Enough of a fighter to make Fury not want to try it again soon.He also has seemed to pick up a bit of an uppercut.But its that GREAT st8 right hand hidden behind that jab that makes him a scary dude.

[5000boxing]

He is flawed no doulbt(bad footwork,balence,no hook,no real body work)but he has GREAT power in right hand up with any man in history I think.He also has a very good jab when not fighting a southpaw(fury switch hitter.Ortiz)the one he came out with vs Stieverne was smoking.He has also shown at LEAST a decent chin and seems to also have REAL dog in him.Enough of a fighter to make Fury not want to try it again soon.He also has seemed to pick up a bit of an uppercut.But its that GREAT st8 right hand hidden behind that jab that makes him a scary dude.

Exactly... which is why he would destroy AJ.. AJ would get that Jab,, an that rocket right in Rd1.. game over!

[john l]

Exactly... which is why he would destroy AJ.. AJ would get that Jab,, an that rocket right in Rd1.. game over!

I agree styles make fights and Joshua fights on the line with little head movment.He is open for jab,st8 right and Wilder is quicker and has REAL dog in him and will go for it at any time.AJ has some dog in him too and like I said the more complete fighter but I just see Wilder clipping his less then great chin(at least)also Wilder is stronger late better stamina.Although Wilder if he don't spark him quick might have a problem not getting clipped himself before AJ gets tired.AJ is a huge puncher himself not on Wilder's level but no one is since Foreman in his prime.Great fight and would be HUGE for sport.I like AJ but seem to be always defending Wilder because MOST of AJs fans are NO WHERE NEAR as honest when talking about fight.Thrilogy would be the best thing to happen to sport in a LONG time.