Who's the slave? Finkel won't let 'our fighter' go.

[kafkod]

Dude, you're literally describing exactly what Frank Warren just did.

This kind of bait and switch stuff happens in boxing all the time.

Garbage post!

The two situations are completely different.

Warren is not the promoter of a world title holder and he did not deceitfully and falsely petition a sanctioning organisation to delay a mando so he could negotiate a unification fight with another champion, which is what you are accusing Hearn of doing.

Stop pulling shit out of your fat arse. The stench is awful.

[rickJen]

I still don't get where the arrogance is coming from
from Team Winkel and Wilder.
As if the clowns have lots of options.

[N/A]

The two situations are completely different.

Here's what you wrote:

"Are you seriously suggesting that a prominent boxing promoter would tell blatent and preposterous lies, on the record, to sanctioning orgs, other promoters, broadcasting networks, and the media"


Warren is a prominent boxing promoter. He told blatant and preposterous lies, on the record, to sanctioning orgs, other promoters, broadcasting networks, and the media.

So no, the two situations aren't completely different.

[N/A]

That most definitely does matter. If it had turned out that Hearn was lying and playing games with Wilder's team, Povetkin's team, and the WBA, he would have been sued out of business.

Sued for what? Hearn was up front about the fact that he was simultaneously negotiating both fights and hadn't decided which fight he wanted to do next. He eventually decided he wanted to do Povetkin first and told Finkel. Then spent the next two weeks finishing negotiations with Povetkin.

[kafkod]

Here's what you wrote:

"Are you seriously suggesting that a prominent boxing promoter would tell blatent and preposterous lies, on the record, to sanctioning orgs, other promoters, broadcasting networks, and the media"


Warren is a prominent boxing promoter. He told blatant and preposterous lies, on the record, to sanctioning orgs, other promoters, broadcasting networks, and the media.

So no, the two situations aren't completely different.

Warren did not tell any blatent lies to anybody! Not on this occasion anyway.

He simply said nothing about Fury negotiating a network deal with Arum, and he was under no legal or moral obligation to do so.

He did did not falsely petition a sanctioning org asking for a mando to be postponed so a champion could negotiate a unification fight which would happen before the mando.

And he did not then try to trick another champion into signing a contract to unify after the mando had taken place.

That's what you are claiming that Hearn did. So yes, the stuations are completely different, and you know it.

[kafkod]

Sued for what? Hearn was up front about the fact that he was simultaneously negotiating both fights and hadn't decided which fight he wanted to do next. He eventually decided he wanted to do Povetkin first and told Finkel. Then spent the next two weeks finishing negotiations with Povetkin.

Lies, lies and more lies.

How much shit can one fat loser pull out of his arse in one day?

Watch this thread and find out!

[Scipio2009]

to be 2 fights away from a ppv fighter he has to fight good fighters which fighting dolly parton breazeale is not and he has already been beaten by fury and would get strecthed out by joshua so that kills yiur statement straight away.
Wilder is a bum dosser accept it scipi lol

Breazeale and the Ortiz rematch (assuming that Ortiz looks good in his fight on Saturday; Wilder-Ortiz 2 would be on either CBS or SHOPPV), and Wilder is basically a PPV fighter for the rest of his run [250k PPV buys sets the US TV rights pot at $10m; significantly clearing that on the Fury fight, and doing so again on an Ortiz rematch confirms that as a number that non-ppv can no longer sustain Wilder with].

80/20 on the Breazeale fight (Wilder already picked up a disclosed $2m+ for the Ortiz fight, and that was before the ITV deal for the UK rights, with the live business likely to be bigger too), and then 80/20 on an Ortiz2 PPV isn't a bad way to fight out the year if the Brits duck.

If beating Wilder was such a forgone conclusion, Fury walking away from an $17.5m guarantee and 50% on the upside was a ****** move, and almost as bad as Joshua walking away from the $50m he asked for. Lol

[The plunger man]

Breazeale and the Ortiz rematch (assuming that Ortiz looks good in his fight on Saturday; Wilder-Ortiz 2 would be on either CBS or SHOPPV), and Wilder is basically a PPV fighter for the rest of his run [250k PPV buys sets the US TV rights pot at $10m; significantly clearing that on the Fury fight, and doing so again on an Ortiz rematch confirms that as a number that non-ppv can no longer sustain Wilder with].

80/20 on the Breazeale fight (Wilder already picked up a disclosed $2m+ for the Ortiz fight, and that was before the ITV deal for the UK rights, with the live business likely to be bigger too), and then 80/20 on an Ortiz2 PPV isn't a bad way to fight out the year if the Brits duck.

If beating Wilder was such a forgone conclusion, Fury walking away from an $17.5m guarantee and 50% on the upside was a ****** move, and almost as bad as Joshua walking away from the $50m he asked for. Lol

Weve already seen espinosa shut down about this fake 50 million email that wilder sent this wek with hearn.
Weve already seen wilder walk away from a 60/40 splits at wembley
And weve already scene fury school that chump.
So now your saying wilder breazeale will be ppv ....yiu want to bet on that as well gumbo ?

[Scipio2009]

So as a manager do you think it's OK that they keep their client from making the most possible money?

It's not the most possible money though.

The $4m offer to tune up on ESPN+ is likely a wash or worse from what Wilder likely ends up with after getting his share of the Showtime/ITV/live event revenue, etc.

To that you can also add that Wilder was already set to be on a guaranteed $18m for the Fury rematch plus half of any upside.

With literally zero track record of selling PPVs, are you honestly trying to say that ESPN is such a platform that they would not only draw enough TV money to cover the full take that Showtime could draw (500k-700k was about where I'd expect the rematch to draw, but casual interest may push that way higher), but also draw enough that Arum would take his piece without Wilder feeling Arum was taking his money, lol?

[Scipio2009]

Wilder turned down 15 to fight for 7 so he turned down MORE THAN HALF and made a QUARTER of what Joshua fought for.

Wilder has been has nearly TWICE the amount of fights that Joshua has and he still hasn't got anywhere near the amount of earning power and close to HALF of Joshua's Net worth.

HALF the worth, TWICE the fights....hmmmm, let me think about that...yes, Wilder is the slave.

£7m, dude. It's an entirely different currency, lol.