Mancini: "Mayweather Is Top 30-40 All Time... Hearns Would Have Stretched Him"

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  • Wacho
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    #11
    Mayweather is tbe to the 20- something year olds. They really don’t know that boxing is a 100 year old sport. Not a 10 year old sport. And yes hearns Leonard and Duran would beat him. Greb and Robinson would too. Pryor and prime Oscar...the list goes on

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    • -Kev-
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      #12
      Floyd Mayweather's KO % breakdown is interesting, obviously his KO % went down as he went up in weight class. His best weight class was clearly 130, the biggest sample size, but he was still being outweighed 7-10lbs on fight night regularly. In his most high profile fights of 130, his opponents were weighing 144-147 on fight night while he was 132-134, that's some serious power. Post hand injury and weight climb his power diminished to Calzaghe levels.

      130: 27-0, 20 KO's - 74%
      135: 4-0, 1 KO - 25%
      140: 3-0, 2 KO's - 67%
      147: 12-0, 3 KO's - 25%
      154: 4-0, 1 KO - 25%

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      • Roadblock
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        #13
        Originally posted by A-Wolf
        Mayweather KO% : 54
        Leonard: KO% : 63

        You're welcome. Floyd fought ten more times than Ray.

        Leonard also fought MASSIVELY superior competition. Brah.
        Take away Duran hearns Hagler , then look at the resume Floyds is a lot better, and Ray was a lot bigger than Floyd, as somebody said its was Floyds highest divisions after moving up 3 already.

        Ray also said the same about Manny, also said Floyd beats Manny at any time for same reasons, bigger stronger faster.

        If Floyd was a true WW he has a much higher KO ratio than he does have and with the size has a top chance with the 4 off them, Floyd is a small WW and it matters greatly in ATG WW fights.

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        • R_Walken
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          #14
          Really who cares

          they fought in different eras so it’s all just talk

          Hearns started at WW and moved up , Mayweather started at 130 and basically topped out at WW and was always the smaller man when he fought at 147/154 and went to those weights strictly
          For the names and $ that were available there. I’d assume If the names and $ were at 130-140 Mayweather would have stayed there and fought men his own size instead

          I don’t think it’s a crazy statement or one that even matters that a ATG who would have every physical advantage would probably beat another smaller ATG in a weight class he could have not fought in his entire career if he chose.

          I think a better comparison would be how Mayweather stacks up against the greats at 130-135 where he fought for the majority of his physical prime and be physically similar. There probably isn’t many that would win or could be considered clear favourites to beat Mayweather

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            #15
            Originally posted by _Rexy_
            Duran beats him at 130 and 135 then.


            Better?
            I think Duran beats Floyd too, but I don't see what that has to do with OP's point.

            Mancini is trying to sound like a smart guy by saying Hearns (whose first weight was 147) beats Floyd (at essentially Floyds highest weight). I don't even know that I agree with that, but it wouldn't surprise me given Hearns massive physical advantages going into the fight.

            Nonetheless I don't know why you're being smart that OP is just pointing out how simple Mancini is:

            "Mayweather thinks he’s the best ever but he’s delusional," Mancini said in a recent SportsGrid interview. "He says he’s better than [Muhammad] Ali which makes it hard to like him. He's not as smart as you think because a smart person wouldn't say that kind of stuff. If your name is mentioned in the same breath as Ali, [Sugar Ray] Robinson, [Sugar Ray] Leonard, you say, 'I'm honored,’ but he doesn’t say things like that. He doesn’t show humility."

            But Mancini acknowledges Mayweather's skill.

            "No one creates space for himself better than Floyd," Mancini said. "He uses his quickness to sharpshoot guys and then he gets out."

            "People ask me if Floyd would go up a class to fight Golovkin," Mancini says. "I tell them Mayweather wouldn't get within 100 yards of him. He won’t go in the same area code as Golovkin. Golovkin would destroy him. Floyd fought [Miguel] Cotto at 154, he fought Canelo [Saúl Álvarez]- at 154 -- Golovkin said he could make 154. Why wouldn't he fight Golovkin? Because Floyd Mayweather, Jr. doesn't have the balls. Golovkin would dismantle him."

            How "insightful" of Mancini to suggest a 38 year old Floyd would lose to a ignificantly larger opponent, in their prime, at 160 pounds.

            Mancini was just a hater and not able to understand that Floyd is/was a businessman. If Floyd does actually he's TBE is another dicussion altogether (he's not), but I have no problem with any fighter believing they're the best ever...it's basic competition attitude

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            • A-Wolf
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              #16
              Originally posted by Roadblock
              Take away Duran hearns Hagler , then look at the resume Floyds is a lot better, and Ray was a lot bigger than Floyd, as somebody said its was Floyds highest divisions after moving up 3 already.

              Ray also said the same about Manny, also said Floyd beats Manny at any time for same reasons, bigger stronger faster.

              If Floyd was a true WW he has a much higher KO ratio than he does have and with the size has a top chance with the 4 off them, Floyd is a small WW and it matters greatly in ATG WW fights.
              lmao "take away Duran Hearns Hagler.."

              All of them PRIME, mind you.. Yeah, let's take those away from Leonard. Ok. Good idea. Then we can compare him to Floyd. Then it will be fair.

              EDIT: LOL except Marvin. He wasn't prime.
              Last edited by A-Wolf; 02-25-2019, 04:09 AM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Bjl12
                I think Duran beats Floyd too, but I don't see what that has to do with OP's point.

                Mancini is trying to sound like a smart guy by saying Hearns (whose first weight was 147) beats Floyd (at essentially Floyds highest weight). I don't even know that I agree with that, but it wouldn't surprise me given Hearns massive physical advantages going into the fight.

                Nonetheless I don't know why you're being smart that OP is just pointing out how simple Mancini is:

                "Mayweather thinks he’s the best ever but he’s delusional," Mancini said in a recent SportsGrid interview. "He says he’s better than [Muhammad] Ali which makes it hard to like him. He's not as smart as you think because a smart person wouldn't say that kind of stuff. If your name is mentioned in the same breath as Ali, [Sugar Ray] Robinson, [Sugar Ray] Leonard, you say, 'I'm honored,’ but he doesn’t say things like that. He doesn’t show humility."

                But Mancini acknowledges Mayweather's skill.

                "No one creates space for himself better than Floyd," Mancini said. "He uses his quickness to sharpshoot guys and then he gets out."

                "People ask me if Floyd would go up a class to fight Golovkin," Mancini says. "I tell them Mayweather wouldn't get within 100 yards of him. He won’t go in the same area code as Golovkin. Golovkin would destroy him. Floyd fought [Miguel] Cotto at 154, he fought Canelo [Saúl Álvarez]- at 154 -- Golovkin said he could make 154. Why wouldn't he fight Golovkin? Because Floyd Mayweather, Jr. doesn't have the balls. Golovkin would dismantle him."

                How "insightful" of Mancini to suggest a 38 year old Floyd would lose to a ignificantly larger opponent, in their prime, at 160 pounds.

                Mancini was just a hater and not able to understand that Floyd is/was a businessman. If Floyd does actually he's TBE is another dicussion altogether (he's not), but I have no problem with any fighter believing they're the best ever...it's basic competition attitude
                I didn’t watch the video, YouTube blocked from my works wifi. I’ll likely watch when I get home at 7am. I was just mentioning Duran winning because he was closer to Floyd’s “true weight” (even though Duran started his career at 118)

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                • Sledgeweather17
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by _Rexy_
                  Duran beats him at 130 and 135 then.


                  Better?
                  I could see Duran beating him at 135, but at 130 Duran stands absolutely no chance. Floyd was unbeatable at 130.

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                  • Roadblock
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by A-Wolf
                    lmao "take away Duran Hearns Hagler.."

                    All of them PRIME, mind you.. Yeah, let's take those away from Leonard. Ok. Good idea. Then we can compare him to Floyd. Then it will be fair.

                    EDIT: LOL except Marvin. He wasn't prime.
                    I see you didn't want to address the size issue.

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                    • A-Wolf
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Roadblock
                      I see you didn't want to address the size issue.
                      What's the size issue?

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