Comments Thread For: Holyfield: Wilder is The Best at Heavyweight, Not Joshua

[MastaBlasta]

Yeah, you're right, it is differing opinions but the first part of your message there about the $50m and 50/50 is just you crying and repeating all of the nonsense what the Wilder fans do, so don't be a hypocrite.

I honestly think that if there was some sort of record of all of the contradictions that Wilder has said over the last 12 months, you would probably look at it and think 'Wow, this guy is embarrassing'.

Yeah, it will be a good fight if it ever gets made but until it does and we have a result, there will be fans like you and I endlessly discussing and discrediting the other fighter. IMHO, Wilder needed the lineal title to get 50/50. Its a 60/40 for me.

Fair enough. My reference to 50/50 isn't purse splits but is odds of who wins. The $50 mil is just facts plain and simple, it's in the historical record forever.

Per Wilder's remarks, I don't get embarrased by them. He's his own man, he can be embarrassed for himself, lol. He's human, we all say some regrettable things. I wish AJ had just said, "yeah, I asked for $50 mil and they called my bluff. I shouldn't have said it". That would be the end of it for me, but instead he/hearn try to spin it all away and it won't spin away. The fanboys & girls get childish and start name-calling, etc. so they get reminded that no one but AJ/Hearn is to blame for the $50 mil situation. No sense calling other boxing fans names ...

The purse splits can be whatever they can agree to for me, but I thought hearn's initial offers were insulting for the biggest fight in boxing. I commented on that.

Grace and peace though SG. The good part of being a fan is when the fight (finally) happens. Joy or heartbreak aside, it will be memorable.

[MastaBlasta]

I hope you are getting paid for this. Seriously, I am impressed. I can't think of a good reason why a sane adult would go to such lengths to maintain this level of denial - out-right lying - unless getting paid for it. Are you on Beyonce's PR staff? Seriously, come clean. You'll at least maintain some level of respect and relevance. If you continue the shtick, though, you'll be relegated to the same grouping as the other trolls who spam these pages wilth filth.

Fury out-classed Wilder. It was a clinic. He did it coming off the worst lay-off we've ever seen at this level of Boxing. And he took Wilder's best shots along the way. Despite the corrupt system doing everything it could to deny him, he still managed to secure a Draw.

you really can't be a mature, sane adult and assert anything else. SOooo, again, I ask, "who's paying you?" and is it really worth your dignity?

LoL, no pay here. I thought Fury fought his best fight ever, and he definitely showed the world something. Still, it's a massive overstatement to say he schooled Wilder ... evidenced by Wilder dropping him in the 12th like it was the beginning of A FIGHT. All Fury had done up to that was SURVIVE, and maybe had a small points advantage. Wilder was unuhurt, still chasing the big punch, not humbled in any way by Fury's "schooling" as you call it. That my friend is no schooling. Wilder still had little respect for anything Fury was doing, and was HEADHUNTING (against his corner's advice).

Again, that would not equal a schooling to me. But I was impressed by Fury. That is the best I've ever seen him fight, pre-layoff/post-layoff/issues/whatever. A testament to him seriously trying to deal with his issues AND be a better person/fighter/etc. Kudos to hm, I like his new outlook.

Still though, he's never been hit and dropped like that. Everyone wondered if he would be well, let alone get up. He got up, and he seems to be well, and I'm glad he is ... again, I like him. But, Wilder definitely dropped a little lightning on him ...

You aj/hearniacs can be so tone-deaf to any other fighters attribiutes, and so mean with the attacks on Wilder that I don't mind giving you a bit of your own medicine in return. LoL! However, Fury-Wilder1 was great. Whenever we get II it will be great. Wilder-AJ should be great. FUry-AJ will be great. And I think AJ-Miller will be great too.

[Earl-Hickey]

Wilder had big fat swollen lips, a closed eye, was breathing out of his ass and had missed 99% of his shots by miles

Wilder is a turd and so are his stinky fans

[SeGoodland]

Fair enough. My reference to 50/50 isn't purse splits but is odds of who wins. The $50 mil is just facts plain and simple, it's in the historical record forever.

Per Wilder's remarks, I don't get embarrased by them. He's his own man, he can be embarrassed for himself, lol. He's human, we all say some regrettable things. I wish AJ had just said, "yeah, I asked for $50 mil and they called my bluff. I shouldn't have said it". That would be the end of it for me, but instead he/hearn try to spin it all away and it won't spin away. The fanboys & girls get childish and start name-calling, etc. so they get reminded that no one but AJ/Hearn is to blame for the $50 mil situation. No sense calling other boxing fans names ...

The purse splits can be whatever they can agree to for me, but I thought hearn's initial offers were insulting for the biggest fight in boxing. I commented on that.

Grace and peace though SG. The good part of being a fan is when the fight (finally) happens. Joy or heartbreak aside, it will be memorable.

Ah I see, I thought when you said 50/50 is was the purse split. As an AJ fan, I give a slight edge due to a better boxing ability but after watching the Wilder/Fury fight, it is clear that you can never discount Wilder connecting so, just to be pedantic, 52/48.

'Grace and peace though SG. The good part of being a fan is when the fight (finally) happens' - This, I wholeheartedly agree with.

The build up will be incredible and the fight, out of this world. I'm always on the edge of my seat with Joshua fights so this one I will be hyperventilating.

[todisday]

oh telli, stop being coy. the ruse is up. it was admirable while it lasted, but you're doing your man a disservice now.


Has Deontay ever thought to offer Lomachenko Boxing lessons? I'm sure Vasily would jump at the chance to learn from a true master of the craft!

Hey, man, Deontay has good taste in women; I don't see how Telli would ever be a downside to the dude.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Btb6eTFFtn_/

I think Fury's wife is a nice lady, too. She's still with him after everything they went through.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsYgTJng11g/

Can't hate on either of their choices.

[Rusty Tromboni]

LoL, no pay here. I thought Fury fought his best fight ever, and he definitely showed the world something. Still, it's a massive overstatement to say he schooled Wilder ... evidenced by Wilder dropping him in the 12th like it was the beginning of A FIGHT. All Fury had done up to that was SURVIVE, and maybe had a small points advantage. Wilder was unuhurt, still chasing the big punch, not humbled in any way by Fury's "schooling" as you call it. That my friend is no schooling. Wilder still had little respect for anything Fury was doing, and was HEADHUNTING (against his corner's advice).

Again, that would not equal a schooling to me. But I was impressed by Fury. That is the best I've ever seen him fight, pre-layoff/post-layoff/issues/whatever. A testament to him seriously trying to deal with his issues AND be a better person/fighter/etc. Kudos to hm, I like his new outlook.

Still though, he's never been hit and dropped like that. Everyone wondered if he would be well, let alone get up. He got up, and he seems to be well, and I'm glad he is ... again, I like him. But, Wilder definitely dropped a little lightning on him ...

You aj/hearniacs can be so tone-deaf to any other fighters attribiutes, and so mean with the attacks on Wilder that I don't mind giving you a bit of your own medicine in return. LoL! However, Fury-Wilder1 was great. Whenever we get II it will be great. Wilder-AJ should be great. FUry-AJ will be great. And I think AJ-Miller will be great too.

Let's see your scorecard. I'd love to know what rounds you scored for Wilder outside of 9 and 12.

I am a fan of Wilder. I'm his biggest advocate on this forum - in serious conversations. But I don't make things up that didn't happen, and it strengthens my endorsement of Wilder.

[Guest]

I thought Fury fought his best fight ever, and he definitely showed the world something. Still, it's a massive overstatement to say he schooled Wilder ... evidenced by Wilder dropping him in the 12th like it was the beginning of A FIGHT. All Fury had done up to that was SURVIVE, and maybe had a small points advantage.

[lion33lit]

Wow, someone is a little bitter! I have no doubt that all of those champs have more boxing knowledge than me. I never said that so keep you silly little man insults to yourself.

Holyfield, Lennox and Sugar Ray dont make the boxing rankings though do they!? LMAO. Joshua is the #1 HW. Swallow your bitterness and accept that not you, nor me, nor any ATG can affect that.

So you think that Wilder has faced 40 world class fighters!? Oh dear. I think you're on your own there, little buddy.

'Muscles & smiling don't automatically make you champ' - No, you're fight. Winning belts does. The WBA, IBF and WBO, that makes you a world champion. You are just pouring out your angst onto a post and expect me to be like 'oh my god, this kid is right, what have I be doing forming my own opinions'

Anyway, I hope you can get over your jealousy and construct proper posts in the future without sounding like an angry teenager.

Excuse me miss, you can continue worshipping at the PEDestal of your pretty boy propped up hero if you wish....his "belts" mean nothing if he's avoiding meaningful fights or fought BUMS to get em'....Wilder has fought TWICE the amount of lethargy your hero's beaten - he's done MORE without you and the zombie drunkard frenzy....

Why would I care to convince you?? - or why should I consider constructing my thoughts according to your format - who are you(??) some pedofile schoolteacher or priestess on the hunt? - sorry I'm not an impressionable "teenager" that you can lure into your closed mindedness....

You think highly of yourself I see. Do you look at yourself in the mirror when you convince yourself? Do you wish you could be as popular as your Posh hero by simply criticizing me? You seem to be some bored conceited internet horndog..

"Jealousy"?? Wow, you really are a "fan!!"....I'll stick to the thoughts of Lennox, Ray, Holyfield, Fury and the rest (if you want me to list the "rest" jus let me know). I "admire" these guys and "how" they accomplished "what" theyve accomplished during their careers.

DO NOT read my posts if they hurt your tender gentle feelings....talk it out with your girlfriends if you need some type of support....This is a BOXING forum to voice your "OPINIONS"....I TOTALLY AGREE with the former CHAMPS OPINIONS on your Poshed out hero, even BEFORE hearing them

[LoadedWraps]

LoL, no pay here. I thought Fury fought his best fight ever, and he definitely showed the world something. Still, it's a massive overstatement to say he schooled Wilder ... evidenced by Wilder dropping him in the 12th like it was the beginning of A FIGHT. All Fury had done up to that was SURVIVE, and maybe had a small points advantage. Wilder was unuhurt, still chasing the big punch, not humbled in any way by Fury's "schooling" as you call it. That my friend is no schooling. Wilder still had little respect for anything Fury was doing, and was HEADHUNTING (against his corner's advice).

Again, that would not equal a schooling to me. But I was impressed by Fury. That is the best I've ever seen him fight, pre-layoff/post-layoff/issues/whatever. A testament to him seriously trying to deal with his issues AND be a better person/fighter/etc. Kudos to hm, I like his new outlook.

Still though, he's never been hit and dropped like that. Everyone wondered if he would be well, let alone get up. He got up, and he seems to be well, and I'm glad he is ... again, I like him. But, Wilder definitely dropped a little lightning on him ...

You aj/hearniacs can be so tone-deaf to any other fighters attribiutes, and so mean with the attacks on Wilder that I don't mind giving you a bit of your own medicine in return. LoL! However, Fury-Wilder1 was great. Whenever we get II it will be great. Wilder-AJ should be great. FUry-AJ will be great. And I think AJ-Miller will be great too.

Furys best performance was dominating a near prime Wlad.

Wilder was far from his best performance. Actually watch his fights, not just the last two.

[MastaBlasta]

Furys best performance was dominating a near prime Wlad.

Wilder was far from his best performance. Actually watch his fights, not just the last two.

I didn't think Fury really threw any punces that mattered with Wlad, but Wlad did even less ... so he lost.
I agree about Wilder, that was far from his best outing. I've watched Wilder since pre US Olympic Team days ...