Comments Thread For: Holyfield: Wilder is The Best at Heavyweight, Not Joshua

[Guest]

You guys are always copping out by avoiding the present. Let's look at the current. Damn the past! Who has been making the most noise in the heavyweight division lately by taking on some the riskiest and most dangerous undefeated opponents today? You are damn right! It's Deontay Wilder.

Fuck me, these Windmillers.

Wilder has had forty - FORTY - fights. And only three of them (correct me if I'm wrong) featured a boxer ranked in the top ten. That's 37 fights that featured cans.

This is not some guy who takes on all-comers, he fought an aged Ortiz (and got hurt) and then took on Fury after nearly a three-year layoff. Fury clearly wasn't 100%, but he STILL got lucky to keep his belt.

As Shakespeare said, two fights against people with a pulse does not a summer make. The guy's been a pro for a DECADE. But now all of a sudden - because of the last eleven months - he's suddenly Mr. Excitement, prepared to take on the best?

So much so that he is now forcing Anthony Joshua out of his comfort zone of England, to travel globally and to the United States to stage fights here for fear of Wilder's profile surpassing his on a global scale.

This is the guy who sold out his upcoming fight in just a few hours and regularly does 70,000+ stadiums, you know that, right?

I love the way the UK is a "comfort zone", when the guy's doing 90,000 stadiums and a million PPV over there.

The old "they have to come to the States" doesn't work in the current heavyweight climate.

That's why Tyson Fury has signed with ESPN and fighting in the U.S. Because he is building his brand off of Deontay Wilder's name and profile.

The guy who most people in America don't even know, who can't sell out 17,000 seat stadiums? Canny old Tyson, to think of that.

Joshua has had just three fights since Klitschko

Also, wrong; Miller will mark AJ's fourth fight since defeating Wladimir Klitschko in April of 2017.

Fuck me.

Do you comprehend what "has had" means? Yes, Miller is a crappy (albeit fairly legitimate, as he's ranked 9th by the ring) opponent, but I can take that as a promotional tool.

I don't have a particular "dog" in this race, btw, it's just that I'm hearing a distorted narrative whereby every day in NSB a guy who just got a gift draw and has fought cans in front of small crowds is suddenly some all-conquering high flyer who's got people running scared with $50 billion trillion squillion offer that apparently was real.

[BoxHec]

So obviously he hasn't watched the fight where fury toyed with wilder for the entire 12 rounds..these punch drunk oldies need to keep quiet lol

Stuttgart? lol! another ugly d!kh£@d german $h!it !!! lol !! hey try to look like real men so your women will stop looking at "exotic" males... LOL!

[BoxHec]

If Holyfield was brit he will be the greatest boxer & fighter of all time coming from great britain! LOL!!!

[Deus]

Then why is he fighting him here in the states? Why couldn't he just fight him in England at the 02 or some other British venue? He didn't have to travel to the United States in order to fight Miller on DAZN. It's because like Fury he is attempting broaden his brand off Deontay Wilder.

Because DAZN want more US subscriptions and thus want fights in the American market? They want Joshua over in the States making noise to build their brand considering Joshua is one of the most marketed boxers on the planet ... hence why they've paid Joshua an absolute fortune to fight somebody like Miller.

It really isn't rocket science.

[Ake-Dawg]

Fuck me, these Windmillers.

Wilder has had forty - FORTY - fights. And only three of them (correct me if I'm wrong) featured a boxer ranked in the top ten. That's 37 fights that featured cans.

This is not some guy who takes on all-comers, he fought an aged Ortiz (and got hurt) and then took on Fury after nearly a three-year layoff. Fury clearly wasn't 100%, but he STILL got lucky to keep his belt.

As Shakespeare said, two fights against people with a pulse does not a summer make. The guy's been a pro for a DECADE. But now all of a sudden - because of the last eleven months - he's suddenly Mr. Excitement, prepared to take on the best?




This is the guy who sold out his upcoming fight in just a few hours and regularly does 70,000+ stadiums, you know that, right?

I love the way the UK is a "comfort zone", when the guy's doing 90,000 stadiums and a million PPV over there.

The old "they have to come to the States" doesn't work in the current heavyweight climate.




The guy who most people in America don't even know, who can't sell out 17,000 seat stadiums? Canny old Tyson, to think of that.






Fuck me.

Do you comprehend what "has had" means? Yes, Miller is a crappy (albeit fairly legitimate, as he's ranked 9th by the ring) opponent, but I can take that as a promotional tool.

I don't have a particular "dog" in this race, btw, it's just that I'm hearing a distorted narrative whereby every day in NSB a guy who just got a gift draw and has fought cans in front of small crowds is suddenly some all-conquering high flyer who's got people running scared with $50 billion trillion squillion offer that apparently was real.

The Joshua Miller fight has sold out? Wow. Didn't know that. I knew they set some presale record for boxing events at MSG but I didn't know the tickets went that quick. Oh wait...nevermind. Plenty of tickets left.

Question for you, who on Joshua resume beats Fury and Ortiz?

[champion4ever]

The Joshua Miller fight has sold out? Wow. Didn't know that. I knew they set some presale record for boxing events at MSG but I didn't know the tickets went that quick. Oh wait...nevermind. Plenty of tickets left.

Question for you, who on Joshua resume beats Fury and Ortiz?

Nice post and well said!

[champion4ever]

Fuck me, these Windmillers.

Wilder has had forty - FORTY - fights. And only three of them (correct me if I'm wrong) featured a boxer ranked in the top ten. That's 37 fights that featured cans.

This is not some guy who takes on all-comers, he fought an aged Ortiz (and got hurt) and then took on Fury after nearly a three-year layoff. Fury clearly wasn't 100%, but he STILL got lucky to keep his belt.

As Shakespeare said, two fights against people with a pulse does not a summer make. The guy's been a pro for a DECADE. But now all of a sudden - because of the last eleven months - he's suddenly Mr. Excitement, prepared to take on the best?




This is the guy who sold out his upcoming fight in just a few hours and regularly does 70,000+ stadiums, you know that, right?

I love the way the UK is a "comfort zone", when the guy's doing 90,000 stadiums and a million PPV over there.

The old "they have to come to the States" doesn't work in the current heavyweight climate.




The guy who most people in America don't even know, who can't sell out 17,000 seat stadiums? Canny old Tyson, to think of that.






Fuck me.

Do you comprehend what "has had" means? Yes, Miller is a crappy (albeit fairly legitimate, as he's ranked 9th by the ring) opponent, but I can take that as a promotional tool.

I don't have a particular "dog" in this race, btw, it's just that I'm hearing a distorted narrative whereby every day in NSB a guy who just got a gift draw and has fought cans in front of small crowds is suddenly some all-conquering high flyer who's got people running scared with $50 billion trillion squillion offer that apparently was real.

You're a Joshua fan. I get it!

[chicken-]

To the people criticizing Wilder for 37 tomato cans....he started boxing late in life, he had very little amateur experience compared to most if not all guys who end up in the top 10, of course they are going to pad his record and get him as much experience as possible.

Wilder might lose to Fury, but he'll KO Joshua. Fury will school Joshua and his 0 head movement.

[P4Pdunny]

Holyfield gave his argument for why he felt Wilder should have won the fight. That's no different from the many who argue that Fury should have won. As far as anyone's opinion as to who is the best, it's not as simple as a one fight evaluation. Is it fair to believe that Wilder wins 2 out of 3 fights? Sure if you value the late fight knockdowns as Wilder figuring Fury out.

I know what he's saying but the ref needs to give the fighter every chance of getting up, he did that and we saw what happened. For me though, I wouldn't call any of these guys better than the other until they've all squared off.

[MC Hammer]

People say this a LOT, but for some reason don't consider the reverse.

Joshua really isn't a big puncher. He accumulates damage on guys more than anything plus he's more hittable than Wilder