Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: Joyce Called Me Out - Ran With Tail Between His Legs

[Mister Wolf]

Joyce shouldn't have called him out if he wasn't prepared to fight him. Made himself look bad.

Agreed. People will try to spin it but that's the bottom line.

[Ake-Dawg]

Yeah, Fury ran into a 100 Million dollar contract. You know, a contract that Wilder would run to if it was presented. Fact is, Fury has already beaten him. The other American Heavyweight is about to get a beating as well.

AJ can't fight someone who refuses to negotiate and ignored all offers. Nor can he give 50% of the money to an idiot who brings nearly 15 times less to the table. Fights can't be made with these type of cowards and delusional idiots. But if you want to believe in a load of lies, then you either have an agenda or you are that level of ****** yourself. But either way, you're talking nonsense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to Top Rank, the full dollar amount of the deal is based on Fury fighting both Wilder and Joshua.

Regarding Joshua, if a US fight with a $50M dollar Showtime guarantee is offered, should AJ take the fight? Is he the A side in the US where Hearn acknowledged the fight would make more money?

[Sid-Knee]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to Top Rank, the full dollar amount of the deal is based on Fury fighting both Wilder and Joshua.

Regarding Joshua, if a US fight with a $50M dollar Showtime guarantee is offered, should AJ take the fight? Is he the A side in the US where Hearn acknowledged the fight would make more money?

Still doesn't dispute that Wilder would run towards that kind of deal with his tongue out if it was presented.

You mean the 50 Mill deal that Wilder's side wouldn't let Hearn look at unless he accepted from the off? The 50 Mill deal that we know had BT sport attached to it? That deal? Oh, right. But keep on with this boring trash that has been destroyed too many times now because that's all the idiots have. Utter delusion.

And yes, AJ is the A side regardless of where it's held. AJ is a money maker. Wilder is a scrub who begs for those kind of paydays because he can't generate them himself unless it has AJ or Fury involved.

[Squ□redCircle34]

Dude, I almost never have a problem with your posts. Think you are more level headed than a ton of people who I think come on here just to show they can type insults. But how can Usyk have avoided Ortiz when he is not even a HW yet? Also not sure Fury can be slammed for avoiding him. He had 2 tune-up fights coming back from his problems, then fought Wilder. I am okay with that. Whyte and Joshua can be criticized for it, although I think both of them have better resumes than Ortiz does by far.

Love me some Ortiz, but I agree with those who criticize his handling. He should be way more marketable at this point.

It’s my opinion so don’t care of what you say!

Even Fury after he beat Klitschko and after Ortiz made his name known by destroying Bryant Jennings who gave Klitschko a tough fight said he was a dangerously skilled fighter but dangerous!

Ortiz is still the boogeyman until the top guys get in the ring with him other than Wilder!

Usyk did the same as AJ and Whyte, called him out but is planning on fighting someone else!

If I’m Ortiz’s people I’m trying to get Haymon to get Ortiz on ESPN to fight Tyson Fury! It would be a packed house in Barclays!

[W1LL]

Compared to Ortiz, Joe moves at the speed of light.

[REDEEMER]

Compared to Ortiz, Joe moves at the speed of light.

Ortiz is a bit faster then Joyce. Joyce would win on work rate and durability. I cant see the far smaller Ortiz making it 12 against Joyce. To much size,power and work rate will slow Ortiz down, i don't even think he'll stun Joyce if it gets to mid rounds.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Ortiz is a bit faster then Joyce. Joyce would win on work rate and durability. I cant see the far smaller Ortiz making it 12 against Joyce. To much size,power and work rate will slow Ortiz down, i don't even think he'll stun Joyce if it gets to mid rounds.

Ortiz is leagues above Stiverne in punching power. Stiverne had a lot of punch resistance nor did I expect Joyce to work as much against Bermaine. Kauffman would’ve gave Joyce a better fight than Stiverne. Stiverne didn’t do anything in this fight, and therefore imho Ortiz would be too much for Joyce.

[REDEEMER]

Ortiz is leagues above Stiverne in punching power. Stiverne had a lot of punch resistance nor did I expect Joyce to work as much against Bermaine. Kauffman would’ve gave Joyce a better fight than Stiverne. Stiverne didn’t do anything in this fight, and therefore imho Ortiz would be too much for Joyce.

Based on what or who? Ortiz only clean stoppage was Jennings ? Allen was stopped while he was fighting back. You'll see Joyce will over run Ortiz if they fight. Kaufmann is terrible . Ha

[Thuglife Nelo]

Based on what or who? Ortiz only clean stoppage was Jennings ? Allen was stopped while he was fighting back. You'll see Joyce will over run Ortiz if they fight. Kaufmann is terrible . Ha

Ortiz is in momentum again. Kauffman has significantly better fundamentals than Stiverne. Not sure what you mean by “clean.” Wilder has had many stoppages. Regardless of who they were, you think Joyce is enough battle tested for Ortiz? Joyce is great, but I would bet on Ortiz

[landotter]

It’s my opinion so don’t care of what you say!

Even Fury after he beat Klitschko and after Ortiz made his name known by destroying Bryant Jennings who gave Klitschko a tough fight said he was a dangerously skilled fighter but dangerous!

Ortiz is still the boogeyman until the top guys get in the ring with him other than Wilder!

Usyk did the same as AJ and Whyte, called him out but is planning on fighting someone else!

If I’m Ortiz’s people I’m trying to get Haymon to get Ortiz on ESPN to fight Tyson Fury! It would be a packed house in Barclays!

Of COURSE it is your opinion, and it is all good. I love me some Ortiz. Have been on his bandwagon for a long time. Thought that the war with Wilder was a blast that Ortiz was winning.

But Usyk's handlers listed Ortiz as fighters they wanted within the first year or so to work up to a title shot with AJ. To my knowledge, there was never a "call out" in a sense that you are referring to. I was only saying that until Usyk (who I have been a defender of almost as long as Ortiz) fights at HW a few times, it is really hard to say he is ducking a HW. Personally, I hope and pray that Usyk's people are smart enough NOT to start at HW with Ortiz. Let Usyk get a tune-up and training camp at HW first. Please.


Also not debating your facts. Only that by this point, if Ortiz has only had one real top level fight, he and his handlers have to own some of that. He has been around to long to be completely dodged. Some of these other fighters that have not mixed it up with Ortiz (I really love a Whyte showdown idea) do have better resumes, so it is hard to say Whyte and Joshua are ducking.

Ortiz needs some real fights soon. I think he is reaching that point of no return, so I hope Hammer is the last before he gets a top 10 HW.