Has boxing ever been more corrupt than it is now?

[Larry the boss]

Man you must have missed the Mob days in boxing

[Larry the boss]

[bballchump11]

this guy cant be serious. every single ranking and title used to be bought and sold. the mob controlled every title for decades. judges used to be picked and paid by the promoter instead of the commission. boxing used to be wayyyyy worse.

Yeah people come out with this type of ignorant hyperbole all the time. They'll see something is bad and state it's the worst ever without doing any research.

And to add on to what you said, promoters used to be more brazen about robbing from the fighters. There was also a time where black fighters weren't even allowed to fight for the heavyweight title.

[New England]

uhhh yes?


mafia
"colored titles"
don f#ckin king in his prime?!?!


what in the f#Ckin world made you guys this dumb?

[daggum]

i cant speak for the rest of the world, but that ended in the US a very long time ago.

no it didnt. you are a hack. this is from nevada 2017 "A list of judges, pre-approved by the lead promoter, is taken by the sanctioning body to the commission and, from that list, three judges are appointed for the bout. The promoter is then responsible for not only providing payment..."

this is why every fight has to be a "title fight" that way the promoter can get the judges he wants. i wouldn't expect you to know how boxing actually works.

[N/A]

no it didnt. you are a hack. this is from nevada 2017 "A list of judges, pre-approved by the lead promoter, is taken by the sanctioning body to the commission and, from that list, three judges are appointed for the bout. The promoter is then responsible for not only providing payment..."

No it's not, it's from a Paul Magno article you love to quote. A third rate writer with zero promotional experience who is now the in house propaganda writer for PBC. The information is outdated and misleading.

When you go to Vegas for a big fight, you must use their judges. Period. They aren't picked by the promoter. They aren't paid by the promoter. They aren't picked by the sanctioning bodies. The commission presents the promoter with a list of potential judges so the promoter has a chance to make an objection to one of the possible selections. You took info from a junk article and then lied about where the info was from. You're busted.

[BLASTER1]

Whilst most other sports have cleaned up there act and become fairer its safe to say boxing hasnt. But is the corruption as bad as its ever been when u consider the Olympic boxing scandal and the fact that there seems to be controversy and wild scorecards in most fights now involving a home fighter/A side? Theres been whole cards all the way from top to bottom with crazy scorecards. Its not human error when you can see the controversy coming a mile off. Has it ever been this bad through history? Its almost impossible for some fighters to lose a decision now.

It's funny you made a thread about this.
Just yesterday I was wondering the same thing.
It seems whoever is the A side and its sort of close the A side wins everytime.
Is sorta ridiculous.

[The D3vil]

Yes, boxing robberies used to be even worst.

Why do you think even the greatest fighters like Sugar Ray Robinson, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Archie Moore have a bunch of losses?

Like dude, if you were Black there was zero chance of fighting for titles for years.

Archie Moore had to wait like a decade to get a title shot.

Charley Burley never got his.

[Marchegiano]

Man you must have missed the Mob days in boxing

Yup

Also, the Colorline....pretty corrupt.

In the 1930s the European Amateurs and Professional rankings came under the control of *******s from Germany and Italy. You know, when Primo and Max were champions.

I'll hold no bones about it. If not for the protection of *******s and the colorline the champions in the 1930s would be names Loopin' Larry Gains, George Godfrey, and Obie Walker.

Before then you basically have Irish-Americans as HW champ, or the face of boxing, the entire period of time when Irish-Americans are the most lucrative fanbase in boxing with the exception of Bob and Tommy.

Bob just happened to get his title the same year as Queen Vic's Diamond Jubilee. James Corbett was retired but came back to boxing, stripping Pater Maher of ever being a champion despite having won his title fair and square in the vacancy left by Corbett. Serendipity.

Oh and the other one, the Canadian called Tommy Burns. He just happened to win his title the same year Canada was having such an economic boom they claiming the 20th century would belong to Canada. That just happened to work out by chance...not because a Canadian champion would make loads of cash at that time.

Boxing was even born in corruption.

James Figg is seen as the first champion in bare knuckle.

Usually historians will just to Jack Broughton but what they are doing is applying present feelings toward what makes a lineal champion in a time when those sentiment did not exist.

Figg elected Bob Whittaker as champion of England when Figg was challenged to defend England's honor against a Venetian.

Bob employed a technique called flopping, you just drop everytime the other guy lands, it's like rolling with the punch but going all the way down with it. Back then it ended the round. So ol' Veneto would throw, Bob would drop, and they'd reset at the center scratchline.

The Venetian claimed Bob was cheating, quit the match, and said no one would ever get what the english call fair play on english soil.

Then Figg took the stage to say he'd produce a fighter in a week that could defeat Bob.

In a week Nat Peartree defeated Bob Whittaker by blinding him with punches. "damn'me! what good is a man not yet beat who can not see?" if the famous yielding quote....or something close to it I reckon

Figg again says he can find a man to beat the champ and in six months John Gritton is the new champion. Gritton became close with Figg and was brought into Figg's venue as a sort of managerial position.

Tom Pipes would be the next man trained by Figg and installed as champion by Figg. Pipes didn't need to fight for the title he just claimed it with Figg's blessing.

That's Bob, Nat, John, and Tom all trained by Figg, fighting for Figg, in Figg's venue and their outcomes were all predicted by Figg.

Then comes poor Bill Gretting. Gretting beat Pipes in the ring while Pipes was champion and was not allowed to be champion because Figg said so.

It isn't until George Taylor you finally get a champion who is the champion because he is the man who beat the man not because James Figg said so. Taylor was a student of Figg but he usurped the Figg company by starting his own and claiming the championship on the ground of having beat the man the Figg Amphitheatre calls champion

Broughton era - There's a reason Broughton wrote down some set rules, one word; cheating.

Slack and the era of fixed fights.

Mendoza and the anti-***ish feelings in europe.

Tom Cribb and the idea of a moneyline. You must now be at least X rich to fight the champion. And the racism that forced the "defeat" of Molyneaux.

Jem Ward, fixed fights, fraud, drawing a purse or moneyline, getting men killed, so on.

American boxing history is even worse. Gun toting gangs making sure the right mane wins. Eye's plucked from skulls, tongues removed, castration, murder, and while the English were racists they were embarrassed about it. The American were overt racists. What used to be the English moneyline became the American colorline.


Man i could keep going too. I would, but I don't reckon anyone's going to read all of that anyway.

Boxing fans should remember boxing invented WWE **** not the other way around.

[boliodogs]

I have been a boxing fan a long time and we have always had some bad home town decisions but never as bad as it's been in the last few years. There is often a boxer they are building up and a boxer who is supposed to lose. Even if the designated loser actually wins by a mile he still loses on the cards of the corrupt, bought and pay for judges. It's disgusting. These days it's not so much a home town decision as a home network or home promoter decision.