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  • R_Walken
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    Can anyone give a reasonabkw

    Sorry about the Novel

    I want the Wilder /Fury rematch to happen like everyone else. Even if the offer is tremendous as Arum will have you believe . unless it’s absolutely insane $ and off the charts ****** . Can anyone even give a decent reason or think a reason as to why they expect or think Wilder should or would take a offer from ESPN and have him and
    His team give up control of a possible rematch

    allowing Top Rank to controll the fight have all the advantages they can try and get for Fury. Top Rank would be in charge of location ( UK ? ) picking the judges , Date , commentators and probably more and allow Top Rank to be the promoter and Espn the channel to be the ones who would be the ones to profit from a rematch.

    I think Wilder is now the sports longest reigning World Champ and holds the most prestigious of the 4 straps and by the time he fights next no matter how you feel about the quality of opponents hes defended it against , he will be in the top 10 for longest HW title reigns ever in the sport for guys that defended more then once . And you can’t deny Fury best win is lightyears ahead of Wilders he also never fought the rematch and gave up his belts to take a sabbatical and spent a couple years trying his best to be a 6’10 version of Chris Farley reincarnated. He still holds the lineal title to most fans and media but it’s a title in name only and not tangible. If Fury goes broke after retirement he couldn’t sell his lineal to a pawn shop or on Ebay. If his wife divorced him she wouldn’t try and go after his lineal title thinking she deserves 50% of it l. If Fury lost the title ,the next guy couldn’t take a picture with it around his waist. It means something
    Depending on how you view the sport and the history but essentially worth the exact same as the fighters that hold the People’s Champ belt who didn’t get a decision fans think he deserved so this is the consolation prize

    For the fight to make the most amount of $ it would be a PPV in the States where a case can be made that Wilder is currently the sports most popular American fighter , his fights are routinely among the highest viewed year after year and the PPV with Fury I believe was the most ordered PPV with the A-side being American who wasn’t named
    Floyd since I think Bradley / Marquez. Hes clearly be the Fighter that would be responsible for most of the revenue generated in the States compared to Fury who hasn’t built up his profile to Wilder. But may change in the future now that he’ll be on ESPN but if Top Rank/ Warren are the lead Promoters of the rematch what’s having them not hosting in the UK and giving Fury home field advantage for it.

    It can’t be because it was ruled andraw
    When Most fans /media / Fighters thought that Fury did enough to win. If you look at the media / press scorecards about 44 % thought Wilder won 11% or was a draw 33% in their eyes and Fury won 56% according to the scores that I found. Not exactly a case for a robbery no matter how you view the end result.’ if a third of people scoring thought that the end result was fair and almost Half 46% had it Wilder winning or a draw. Half thought Fury won but is that enough to give up control of a rematch when basically half agreed with the final outcome
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    Look at the last draw that was considered a robbery and went against popular opinion and scorecards . Canelo / Golovkin. From the media / Fighters who scores I could find 87% thought Golovkin won and 13% thought it was a draw. The only people I found that gave it to Canelo was Dela Hoya , Hopkins
    ( I’m sure being Canelos Promoters has no effect on their scoring ) Chavez Jr. / Moreales ( who would never be swayed by their patriotism) and Mendoza head of the WBA ( who definitely wouldn’t want those Canelo sanctioning fees and who’s opinion on this wouldn’t make people believe any less the sport isn’t corrupt or shady as f.uck ) and to how it became a draw with the 2 judges basically reaffirming that the sport isn’t played on a level paying field being the least you can say about how they scored it

    basically absolutely no one from over 100 different people in the sport who wasn’t biased as f.uck and have their opinion discounted thought Canelo won or even deserved a draw. But no one is on record saying that because of it he should lose any of his advantages or give up control for the rematch. That it shouldn’t be fought in Vegas a city that has never given Canelo even 1 unfavourable scorecard by 1 judge. A city that routinely gives him 1-6 extra rounds by that can be viewed as close or that in no way he deserves by every judge. No one thought or is on record that Golovkins team take control of the rematch and have the advantages and the location should be chosen by Loeffler and Golovkin. that it should be in Khazastan or Golivknks team should be the ones to have a say in the judges . Why would Wilder /Fury be any different because it was a unpopular outcome to just over half of the people watching? but no where near the Canelo/Golovkin fight with how people
    Viewed the figh compared to final result.Wilder / Fury a case can’t really be made for the scorecards as being suspect or blatantly corrupt. Except The judge who scored it for Wilder gave him 7’rounds gave him the first 4 but didn’t give Wilder the 7th a round the 2 other judges gave Wilder. Even if you have that judge who scored it for Wilder and he only gave the first round of
    First 4’ like the other 2 judges the end result is still a MD . the judge who scored it a
    Draw had given Fury 7 of the first 11
    Rounds and Fury would have won the fight on the cards had he not been KD and
    Making it a 10-8 round.

    Finally why should Fury be rewarded and benefit in the rematch when during negotiations he held secret meetings and signed with Top Rank. Which would making a immediate rematch harder if not impossible to make knowing how the current landscape of the sport looks like. Why bend over backwards and reward Fury and give him any advantages when negotiated the rematch not in good faith and who’s actions can be said were at least disingenuous to downright deceitful and shameful for a team to do business that way.
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    #2
    He already said he can fight anywhere. As long as he gets rewarded properly then he can do what Fury did and fight on Fury’s network. Don’t see any issues with that as long as he accepts the contract and sign it.

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      #3
      Welcome to the mind of what only a Wilder fan can produce !

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        #4
        Originally posted by Ray*
        He already said he can fight anywhere. As long as he gets rewarded properly then he can do what Fury did and fight on Fury’s network. Don’t see any issues with that as long as he accepts the contract and sign it.
        Yeah he can fight anywhere but that doesn’t mean that he should be expected to allow Top Rank to controll every aspect of the fight and put himself at a
        Disadvantage when it was Fury that made the fight harder to make and having Top Rank be the only ones who controll the details of the fight , unless the offer is ******ed as far as overpaying to the point you can’t say no. Would you actually expect that Wilder give up any advantage he could get in the rematch and hand those over to Top Rank /Fury and not have the fight on a platform ( PBC )! he’s been loyal to and promotes on exclusively and allow the competition to prosper off the fight

        That makes no sense .No one in the sport would allow themselves to fight at a disadvantage by choice. Maybe unless they were getting so overpaid you couldn’t say no

        Top Rank would never allow Fury to go over to Showtime and help that network and
        The reason it’s like this because of Fury so you reward his shady business tactics

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          #5
          Originally posted by juggernaut666
          Welcome to the mind of what only a Wilder fan can produce !
          Good to see you’ve returned I can only assume it’s from months of meetings where offering your valuable insight to the powers brokers of the sport who hang on your every word and have them use your opinion to influence the sport and make the fights and moves you suggest all the while having ATGs in the sport cower when you enter the room knowing if they step out of line they’re in trouble

          But it’s more likely that you’ve collected enough pop bottles to pay to finally have your power turned back on

          Name 1 reasonable reason not including unless you’re so overpaid that you’d actually give up the control of the event and give it to Top Rank

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            #6
            Originally posted by R_Walken
            Good to see you’ve returned I can only assume it’s from months of meetings where offering your valuable insight to the powers brokers of the sport who hang on your every word and have them use your opinion to influence the sport and make the fights and moves you suggest all the while having ATGs in the sport cower when you enter the room knowing if they step out of line they’re in trouble

            But it’s more likely that you’ve collected enough pop bottles to pay to finally have your power turned back on

            Name 1 reasonable reason not including unless you’re so overpaid that you’d actually give up the control of the event and give it to Top Rank
            There doesn't need to be a reason for Fury ,his career doesn't revolve around Wilder who he defeated already . Wilder is the one who tried weasling out on a fight by not sticking to his promise of a U.K rematch .

            The problem with you fan girls is you can't comprehend Fury gave Wilder his Pay Per View fight and if Wilder can't get the fight at Barclays that's to bad , he can wait now like the lacky he is. The paper champion who generates 1.4 million per fight , let's see what he does now Mr.A side greatest HW ever in his mind ??????
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              #7
              Originally posted by juggernaut666
              There doesn't need to be a reason for Fury ,his career doesn't revolve around Wilder who he defeated already . Wilder is the one who tried weasling out on a fight by not sticking to his promise of a U.K rematch .

              The problem with you fan girls is you can't comprehend Fury gave Wilder his Pay Per View fight and if Wilder can't get the fight at Barclays that's to bad , he can wait now like the lacky he is. The paper champion who generates 1.4 million per fight , let's see what he does now Mr.A side greatest HW ever in his mind ??????
              Just 1’reason why TR should control the fight unless they overpay Wilder to the point you can’t say no probably 2-3.5x what he made in the first fight handing. There’s no other reason to expect Wilder to hand the keys over

              Wait for Fury to fight who exactly, it’s not he’s got a super fight lined up without Wilder. Fury talent pool of possible name is non existent

              Even 1.4 is more then you’ll make your entire life but you want to make it seem like he somehow has to work next to you at Wal-Mart because it’s chump change

              Arum said that there’s no way Loma one of his star fighter fights Crolla if it was on DAZN even though that’s was a Mando and no one expected if the fight happend that it be anywhere but On Espn

              but you expect Wilder to do something Arum would never do and allow one of his guys to fight on DAZn have them controll the fight and build up DAZn . But how is this different just because Fury signed with TR before fighting the rematch and now thats the only option because Arum wont share his talent they have to come to him But he cries when other don’t want to send their fighters to Espn but like Wilder should be expected to hand over the reigns to TR and let them do what they wish with the event

              The only reason I made the thread is because I want to see if anyone can even have 1legit reason why TR should control the fight besides that the only way for it to happen

              The rematch isn’t going to happen anyway and when that happens we all know you and all the other predictable lames will just say Wilder Ducked. When the real reason it won’t is because Fury didn’t want it and signing with TR sets a roadblock that no one else whos in the position Wilder is in would do it either

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                There should be no such thing as loyalty to a network. The suits don't care about Wilder or anyone else. If a fighter is on a network 5+ years a lot of the people running the show will change. With a promoter/manager, it's different. If Haymon doesn't want him on ESPN long-term and Wilder says personal loyalty comes first then I can understand it. Haymon guided him to where he is now. A lot of it comes down to just what deal TR offer.. If it's a single fight he should take it, Al would still be his advisor and would go on guiding his career afterwards win or lose. But if it's a 3-4 fight deal then I wouldn't blame him for not signing.

                As for all the 'giving up control of the event' stuff, if Al says 'I'll pay Fury 15M to fight Wilder' and Bob says 'I'll pay Wilder 20M to fight Fury' then I'd expect Wilder to accept. Fans can debate who deserves what based on past judging, who has the most defences etc. but boxing reality says that for a single fight, you go where the money is and to whoever is paying it. If that means Saudi Arabia, Zaire, Tokyo or wherever. You're right that Fury could've made the rematch by now but chose not to, he's a roid user who talks nonsense in most interviews, he doesn't 'deserve' to have things his way, but if Wilder gets a career high payday to face Fury on a TR card with no strings attached I'd be criticial of him turning it down. I don't expect TR to make an offer like that tbh so it's a big if.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Clegg
                  There should be no such thing as loyalty to a network. The suits don't care about Wilder or anyone else. If a fighter is on a network 5+ years a lot of the people running the show will change. With a promoter/manager, it's different. If Haymon doesn't want him on ESPN long-term and Wilder says personal loyalty comes first then I can understand it. Haymon guided him to where he is now. A lot of it comes down to just what deal TR offer.. If it's a single fight he should take it, Al would still be his advisor and would go on guiding his career afterwards win or lose. But if it's a 3-4 fight deal then I wouldn't blame him for not signing.

                  As for all the 'giving up control of the event' stuff, if Al says 'I'll pay Fury 15M to fight Wilder' and Bob says 'I'll pay Wilder 20M to fight Fury' then I'd expect Wilder to accept. Fans can debate who deserves what based on past judging, who has the most defences etc. but boxing reality says that for a single fight, you go where the money is and to whoever is paying it. If that means Saudi Arabia, Zaire, Tokyo or wherever. You're right that Fury could've made the rematch by now but chose not to, he's a roid user who talks nonsense in most interviews, he doesn't 'deserve' to have things his way, but if Wilder gets a career high payday to face Fury on a TR card with no strings attached I'd be criticial of him turning it down. I don't expect TR to make an offer like that tbh so it's a big if.
                  Espinoza and haymon have been loyal to each other....and Espinoza has been at his post for some time now.....and they've both been very supportive of wilder

                  wilder was building a lot of momentum going into the fury fight...his profile was being raised quite well....and that fight was a relative success and they were ready to do it again....

                  wilder deserves 0 blame here no matter what he does....and hes got the strap

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                  • boxinggod101
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                    Originally posted by juggernaut666
                    Welcome to the mind of what only a Wilder fan can produce !
                    Lol yeah this is beyond ******. I am not really a fan of both but the level of dumb sh##t I read in this forum is funny.

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