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[juggernaut666]

Lol yeah this is beyond ******. I am not really a fan of both but the level of dumb sh##t I read in this forum is funny.

Well stick around this thread for a good laugh ,and read just how ****** the thread creator is.

[Ray*]

Yeah he can fight anywhere but that doesn’t mean that he should be expected to allow Top Rank to controll every aspect of the fight and put himself at a
Disadvantage when it was Fury that made the fight harder to make and having Top Rank be the only ones who controll the details of the fight , unless the offer is ******ed as far as overpaying to the point you can’t say no. Would you actually expect that Wilder give up any advantage he could get in the rematch and hand those over to Top Rank /Fury and not have the fight on a platform ( PBC )! he’s been loyal to and promotes on exclusively and allow the competition to prosper off the fight

That makes no sense .No one in the sport would allow themselves to fight at a disadvantage by choice. Maybe unless they were getting so overpaid you couldn’t say no

Top Rank would never allow Fury to go over to Showtime and help that network and
The reason it’s like this because of Fury so you reward his shady business tactics

Fury went over to showtime to fight Wilder on his own network. So I don’t see any issues on fighting on ESPN if the offer is right. Like Wilder said he is a free agent.

[Scipio2009]

There should be no such thing as loyalty to a network. The suits don't care about Wilder or anyone else. If a fighter is on a network 5+ years a lot of the people running the show will change. With a promoter/manager, it's different. If Haymon doesn't want him on ESPN long-term and Wilder says personal loyalty comes first then I can understand it. Haymon guided him to where he is now. A lot of it comes down to just what deal TR offer.. If it's a single fight he should take it, Al would still be his advisor and would go on guiding his career afterwards win or lose. But if it's a 3-4 fight deal then I wouldn't blame him for not signing.

As for all the 'giving up control of the event' stuff, if Al says 'I'll pay Fury 15M to fight Wilder' and Bob says 'I'll pay Wilder 20M to fight Fury' then I'd expect Wilder to accept. Fans can debate who deserves what based on past judging, who has the most defences etc. but boxing reality says that for a single fight, you go where the money is and to whoever is paying it. If that means Saudi Arabia, Zaire, Tokyo or wherever. You're right that Fury could've made the rematch by now but chose not to, he's a roid user who talks nonsense in most interviews, he doesn't 'deserve' to have things his way, but if Wilder gets a career high payday to face Fury on a TR card with no strings attached I'd be criticial of him turning it down. I don't expect TR to make an offer like that tbh so it's a big if.

Why would Wilder take $20m when he was looking at near 50% on a fight that was set to clear at least $40m?

[R_Walken]

Fury went over to showtime to fight Wilder on his own network. So I don’t see any issues on fighting on ESPN if the offer is right. Like Wilder said he is a free agent.

Fury went to showtime because that’s one of the platforms PBC works with and Wilder is loyal

Fury wasn’t with a US platform so it
Disn’t matter what channel , It’s like saying Wilder went over to BT , By going to TR as his American Platform he now works for a group that doesn’t or hasn’t shown interest in having their star working with other platforms. It’s like Wilder signs with sky and is like if Fury want the fight he better fight on sky when you know that isn’t going happen and if for some chance it did youd have to pay Fury so much for him to even consider it . No one wants to help the competition put on big fights

so if Wilder really wanted the fight why go with sky . I think you’d assume he don’t really want it , maybe theyll do a
Joint broadcast if the Fight is big enough but the rematch isn’t so it won’t get made and that’s because Fury signed with TR knowing full well it’d kill the rematch but let Arum spin it like they did and it
Didn’t happen because Wilder didn’t want it or his tremendous offer which is all lies and just done to not hurt Fury’s rep and act like he wanted the fight

Arum never has his Fighters fight on shows he doesn’t control the only 2 that come to mind are May/PAC simply because it time to cash out and worth so much it didn’t matter he didn’t control it. But still b.itched and cried to the press non stop about how we getting shafted in everything concerning the fight. And when Vargas fought ALi for the vacant on a GB card probably because theyd written Vargas off at that point and didn’t expect him to win. There’s a
Reason he wants to control every event his Fighters fight in because he slants it to his Fighters favour as much as he can like any good promoter would do , Why would Wilder who is bringing every measurable advantage as far as revenue , $ , the belt give that up and have Arum try and stack the deck on him.

[juggernaut666]

Fury went to showtime because that’s one of the platforms PBC works with and Wilder is loyal

Fury wasn’t with a US platform so it
Disn’t matter what channel , It’s like saying Wilder went over to BT , By going to TR as his American Platform he now works for a group that doesn’t or hasn’t shown interest in having their star working with other platforms. It’s like Wilder signs with sky and is like if Fury want the fight he better fight on sky when you know that isn’t going happen and if for some chance it did youd have to pay Fury so much for him to even consider it . No one wants to help the competition put on big fights

so if Wilder really wanted the fight why go with sky . I think you’d assume he don’t really want it , maybe theyll do a
Joint broadcast if the Fight is big enough but the rematch isn’t so it won’t get made and that’s because Fury signed with TR knowing full well it’d kill the rematch but let Arum spin it like they did and it
Didn’t happen because Wilder didn’t want it or his tremendous offer which is all lies and just done to not hurt Fury’s rep and act like he wanted the fight

Arum never has his Fighters fight on shows he doesn’t control the only 2 that come to mind are May/PAC simply because it time to cash out and worth so much it didn’t matter he didn’t control it. But still b.itched and cried to the press non stop about how we getting shafted in everything concerning the fight. And when Vargas fought ALi for the vacant on a GB card probably because theyd written Vargas off at that point and didn’t expect him to win. There’s a
Reason he wants to control every event his Fighters fight in because he slants it to his Fighters favour as much as he can like any good promoter would do , Why would Wilder who is bringing every measurable advantage as far as revenue , $ , the belt give that up and have Arum try and stack the deck on him.

Wilder did go to BT and was going to indirectly let them buy the rights to the Joshua fight as Warrens own words said he and Finkel were involved .

A rival network to Sky which wouldn't have come off and here you are complaining about Fury going to ESPN when that doesn't stop Wilder non contracted fighter to any network ?


How ****** can you get ?

[R_Walken]

Well stick around this thread for a good laugh ,and read just how ****** the thread creator is.

Sorry Jug

I’m not as intelligent as the man who claimed Lennox Lewis backed down when you confronted him on Twitter

Actually took responsibility for Wilder decision to fight Ortiz . And you were Serious that’s the sad part

The man who lives in a
Basement posted a video of himself looking borderline handicap and looking like to get any s.ex definitely has to pay for it hitting the heavy bag like a modern day Dempsey who has the opinions that makes the movers and shakers of boxing stand up and take notice

What else oh didnt you claim that you beat up Breazeale in sparring and responsible for teaching him some things

I’m sure there’s more but it’s been awhile , yes I’m the ****** one but not at least not batshi.t crazy and delusional of my self worth . I’m so ****** it
Should be easy for a genius like you to state why you believe TR Fury actually want a immediate rematch and why should Wilder be expected to give up control to Top Rank when they’ve yet to do so for basically of their top Fighters and won’t unless it’s a fight as big as May/Pqc or a fighter they’ve written off a fighter like Vargas. But why should Wilder be expected too oh wise one of the windowless basement give everyone you expertise

[juggernaut666]

Fury went over to showtime to fight Wilder on his own network. So I don’t see any issues on fighting on ESPN if the offer is right. Like Wilder said he is a free agent.

This dummy just created a scenario saying it Wilder signed to Sky and wanted Fury it creates rifts , trying to switch it around when Wilder did involve rival networks in the Joshua fight with BT ?

What a clown he just showed why the Wilder fight never came off by using Fury who is just now in AJ's position with him as both are tied to networks !

[R_Walken]

Wilder did go to BT and was going to indirectly let them buy the rights to the Joshua fight as Warrens own words said he and Finkel were involved .

A rival network to Sky which wouldn't have come off and here you are complaining about Fury going to ESPN when that doesn't stop Wilder non contracted fighter to any network ?


How ****** can you get ?

That’s False Warren and DiBella said when they offered AJ the 50 mil Finkel discussed with Warren what the rights were worth obviously for the fight. If the fight was to happen it obviously have to be on Sky but they needed to know the true worth. Having Bt air them was never a option but



Keep spinning

[lolasif]

If Arum's offer is take it or leave it, then Wilder should reject it. This doesn't prevent Wilder's team from countering it, with his own offer.

If Fury and Wilder's teams enter into negotiations properly, then it is up to Wilder's team to get a deal that Wilder can be happy with. If they can't, then he should reject it.

Everything is negotiable. Guarantees, the cut over a certain amount of PPV's, broadcaster, venue, date, split of the gate revenue, ring size, gloves, number and location of press conferences. All these things are meant to be agreed on mutually by both parties.

If all of those things can be agreed on to Wilder's satisfaction, then of course he should accept the offer.

Realistically it should be quite easy. Wilder and Finkel have both admitted that Wilder is a network free agent, so there is no reason why ESPN shouldn't broadcast it. Al Haymon already has the Barclay's Centre booked out for May 18th, so that would be an ideal venue and date. If they fight at Barclay's, then the judges and referee will be chosen by NYSAC. Even if the promoters were choosing them, surely Bob Arum and Shelly Finkel between them could choose people they are mutually happy with.

[juggernaut666]

That’s False Warren and DiBella said when they offered AJ the 50 mil Finkel discussed with Warren what the rights were worth obviously for the fight. If the fight was to happen it obviously have to be on Sky but they needed to know the true worth. Having Bt air them was never a option but



Keep spinning

That is a lie. Warren said he wanted to co promote the event .If they are buying rights to the fight how can it not be shown on BT you dummy ? Like Sky is going to be o.k with that? Not even Dibella thinks that, go listen to the Boxing Voice interview where he says a co promotion between the two would never work, you fool. It would have to one or the other.

The TRUE worth ???

Lets take a look at this gem of a thread.

"so if Wilder really wanted the fight why go with sky ."

Exactly so why did Wilder want the fight knowing Joshua is with Sky to involve BT , a party not even involved as its a Warren affiliate ?


"Yeah he can fight anywhere but that doesn’t mean that he should be expected to allow Top Rank to controll every aspect of the fight and put himself at a
Disadvantage "

Well heres a real winner . So you want Wilder to control the promotion and all or walk away like he did with Joshua ? But you want Joshua the guy that's generating the money not to dictate the terms ina fight where he is going to have the say and then blame him when Wilder states he's lost his pen and cant fulfill the agreement ?

"that’s because Fury signed with TR knowing full well it’d kill the rematch '

Do you notice any parallels with this quote to that of wilder and rematches ? lol

"if Wilder really wanted the fight why go with sky . I think you’d assume he don’t really want it "

So lets look at the parody you created here with this train wreck of a thread. do you not see the quotes from you here above ?????

If Wilder wanted the Joshua fight why include BT ?

We can assume they didn't want the fight right ?



See what it all boils down to is you and the entire Wilder fan base are idiots. You do nothing but shoot yourselves in the foot daily and will make ANY excuse to have Wilder not at fault and blame everyone else.

I wasn't going to pick on you but you make it that much easier with the bizarre logic you use on here, so ..oh well.........


In the end Fury is at ESPN, Wilder is holding his nuts( if he can find them ) and he is not the A side in any of the two mega fights, he doesn't generate the money ,he has trouble selling his own fights and he's simply really not fun to watch which is actually the reason why as he's only known for the moment before he knocks someone out.

Now you fan girls can cry and cry but it is what it is...O.k im done ,my ******ity meter is up here, carry on my dimwitted one...................