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  • Chrismart
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    #161
    Tyson Fury – bigger than Beckham…
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    Frank Warren explains how he believes mammoth ESPN deal will help Tyson Fury take over from David Beckham as Britain’s ‘most famous sportsman’ and why it shouldn’t stop the Wilder rematch from happening



    THE path to heavyweight nirvana clearly was never destined to run smooth. In the heady days of a month ago it all looked so simple. A Tyson Fury versus Deontay Wilder rematch was a presumed to be straightforward to make. They had already fought to a controversial draw, screened on Showtime in the US and BT Sport in the UK, so in theory could do so again. It might take a while to get to an undisputed championship fight but on the other side of the divide Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte both shared a promoter and, seemingly, were heading to the conveniently pre-booked April 13 date at Wembley stadium for what would have been a high-profile rematch. The latter is not going to happen, Joshua will instead defend his unified WBO, WBA and IBF titles against fortunate American Jarrell Miller on June 1 in New York. The route to a second Wilder-Fury WBC heavyweight title fight is increasingly convoluted too. In a surprise move, on Monday Fury announced a lucrative deal with ESPN in the United States. That means if Wilder is going to get the rematch the world wants to see, he’d have to transition to a new platform. The next move is his to make.

    Fury’s promoter, Frank Warren is adamant that, even if a layer of complexity has been added to the Wilder-Fury negotiations, Tyson’s move to ESPN itself should not prevent the rematch or major fights from happening. “It should make some of them easier, because we’ve got the biggest sports broadcaster in America,” Warren said. “They want the big fights – they’re not doing this for Tyson just to fight a load of knockovers. We want the big fights.”

    “What’s to stop them coming over? They want to earn big money as well so what’s to stop them?” he added. “Showtime and HBO are minnows compared to ESPN. It’s a massive game changer. The size of the audience, the size of the reach, and they’re now going to start doing PPV. They’ve an audience of dedicated sports fans; they’ve got them already. It’s an absolute no-brainer for us.”

    Wilder does work with influential adviser Al Haymon, whose Premier Boxing Champions stable of fighters have been broadcast on Showtime and Fox in the US. That might be a sticking point for staging Wilder-Fury on ESPN, but Warren pointed out, “I don’t know if he [Wilder] has got a broadcast deal with Showtime, but Al Haymon isn’t a promoter. He’s an agent, an adviser. He certainly hasn’t got a promotional deal with Al Haymon, so all he needs to think about is where he can earn the most money.”

    Warren has not let the politics of dealing with Al Haymon distract him. “I’ve never, ever spoken or met with him. You can imagine how frustrating that is, that you’ve got to go through people. I don’t like dealing like that. That is what it is, so I can’t say that in doing this we’ve let down Al Haymon. If he walked in this room I wouldn’t even know who he was,” the veteran promoter said. “I’ve never met him. I find it insulting to be honest.

    “I don’t know if he [Wilder] is [contracted to Showtime], let’s see if he is. He may not be. They may have to go and satisfy him financially. They’re not going to do it with two million dollars.”

    The salient point for Warren is that Fury wouldn’t be in the away corner, boxing on somebody else’s promotion. “I prefer it to be on our promotion rather than their promotion. Because if it’s on our promotion you’ve got more control of the situation. On our promotion Tyson Fury would now be the WBC champion. He got robbed out there. That’s the difference on what promotion you’re on sometimes. It shouldn’t be like but that’s the reality of it. That’s why Golovkin’s not won a fight [against Canelo Alvarez] because he’s been on the other guy’s promotion. How many times does he [Fury] need to keep rolling the dice?” Warren said. “I think with the heavyweight situation now it becomes far more interesting because we’re not beholden to people dictating terms to us. That’s not happening any more.”

    The size of ESPN’s reach in the USA is another significant benefit of this deal for Fury, not to mention the fact that it will make him an exceedingly rich man. Suffice to say it will be “very” lucrative (some media reports suggest the multi-fight deal could be as much as $80 million). “You’ve got to speak to the fighters. Never mind anybody else. Ask the fighters what are they in this for? To make as much money as possible. Where are you going to make as much money as possible? With the people who have got the most subscribers that’s where you’re going to make the most. So that’s where it’s at,” Warren said. “ESPN are doing pay-per-view and that will be bigger than anybody’s. They’ve got the biggest sports platform out of anybody. He will be seen in so many homes across America.

    “He’s getting great, great exposure and it will make him probably after David Beckham, Britain’s most famous sportsman. And I think he will maybe take over from David Beckham.”

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    • BLASTER1
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      #162
      Spewing their goes the re-match.

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        #163
        Originally posted by Chrismart
        Tyson Fury – bigger than Beckham…
        Boxing News

        Frank Warren explains how he believes mammoth ESPN deal will help Tyson Fury take over from David Beckham as Britain’s ‘most famous sportsman’ and why it shouldn’t stop the Wilder rematch from happening



        THE path to heavyweight nirvana clearly was never destined to run smooth. In the heady days of a month ago it all looked so simple. A Tyson Fury versus Deontay Wilder rematch was a presumed to be straightforward to make. They had already fought to a controversial draw, screened on Showtime in the US and BT Sport in the UK, so in theory could do so again. It might take a while to get to an undisputed championship fight but on the other side of the divide Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte both shared a promoter and, seemingly, were heading to the conveniently pre-booked April 13 date at Wembley stadium for what would have been a high-profile rematch. The latter is not going to happen, Joshua will instead defend his unified WBO, WBA and IBF titles against fortunate American Jarrell Miller on June 1 in New York. The route to a second Wilder-Fury WBC heavyweight title fight is increasingly convoluted too. In a surprise move, on Monday Fury announced a lucrative deal with ESPN in the United States. That means if Wilder is going to get the rematch the world wants to see, he’d have to transition to a new platform. The next move is his to make.

        Fury’s promoter, Frank Warren is adamant that, even if a layer of complexity has been added to the Wilder-Fury negotiations, Tyson’s move to ESPN itself should not prevent the rematch or major fights from happening. “It should make some of them easier, because we’ve got the biggest sports broadcaster in America,” Warren said. “They want the big fights – they’re not doing this for Tyson just to fight a load of knockovers. We want the big fights.”

        “What’s to stop them coming over? They want to earn big money as well so what’s to stop them?” he added. “Showtime and HBO are minnows compared to ESPN. It’s a massive game changer. The size of the audience, the size of the reach, and they’re now going to start doing PPV. They’ve an audience of dedicated sports fans; they’ve got them already. It’s an absolute no-brainer for us.”

        Wilder does work with influential adviser Al Haymon, whose Premier Boxing Champions stable of fighters have been broadcast on Showtime and Fox in the US. That might be a sticking point for staging Wilder-Fury on ESPN, but Warren pointed out, “I don’t know if he [Wilder] has got a broadcast deal with Showtime, but Al Haymon isn’t a promoter. He’s an agent, an adviser. He certainly hasn’t got a promotional deal with Al Haymon, so all he needs to think about is where he can earn the most money.”

        Warren has not let the politics of dealing with Al Haymon distract him. “I’ve never, ever spoken or met with him. You can imagine how frustrating that is, that you’ve got to go through people. I don’t like dealing like that. That is what it is, so I can’t say that in doing this we’ve let down Al Haymon. If he walked in this room I wouldn’t even know who he was,” the veteran promoter said. “I’ve never met him. I find it insulting to be honest.

        “I don’t know if he [Wilder] is [contracted to Showtime], let’s see if he is. He may not be. They may have to go and satisfy him financially. They’re not going to do it with two million dollars.”

        The salient point for Warren is that Fury wouldn’t be in the away corner, boxing on somebody else’s promotion. “I prefer it to be on our promotion rather than their promotion. Because if it’s on our promotion you’ve got more control of the situation. On our promotion Tyson Fury would now be the WBC champion. He got robbed out there. That’s the difference on what promotion you’re on sometimes. It shouldn’t be like but that’s the reality of it. That’s why Golovkin’s not won a fight [against Canelo Alvarez] because he’s been on the other guy’s promotion. How many times does he [Fury] need to keep rolling the dice?” Warren said. “I think with the heavyweight situation now it becomes far more interesting because we’re not beholden to people dictating terms to us. That’s not happening any more.”

        The size of ESPN’s reach in the USA is another significant benefit of this deal for Fury, not to mention the fact that it will make him an exceedingly rich man. Suffice to say it will be “very” lucrative (some media reports suggest the multi-fight deal could be as much as $80 million). “You’ve got to speak to the fighters. Never mind anybody else. Ask the fighters what are they in this for? To make as much money as possible. Where are you going to make as much money as possible? With the people who have got the most subscribers that’s where you’re going to make the most. So that’s where it’s at,” Warren said. “ESPN are doing pay-per-view and that will be bigger than anybody’s. They’ve got the biggest sports platform out of anybody. He will be seen in so many homes across America.

        “He’s getting great, great exposure and it will make him probably after David Beckham, Britain’s most famous sportsman. And I think he will maybe take over from David Beckham.”
        LOL I love how warren called out al gaymon. how is it possible this guy doesn't even physically show up for these meetings? lol arum said he doesn't exist. does he have some sort of mental illness or something?

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        • MrRolltide91
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          #164
          Originally posted by Ray*
          How Fury is a major player in America. He destroyed Joshua and was “Bigging up” Fury big time. I thought that was odd. Because Arum had a good relationship with Hearn.
          I guess Arum was playing chess

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            #165
            Originally posted by Joe shmo
            It might make sense financially but ***** like this is ruining the sport. The best should b fighting the best, but instead everyone wants to get rich fighting bums.
            I agree. I would rather see Fury and Wilder rematch this summer, and then the winner fights AJ at the end of the year for the Undisputed title. But all three guys know they will make more fighting bums, because all three will continue to win.

            Anthony Joshua is 29, Tyson Fury is 30, and Deontay Wilder is 33. The heavyweight division isn't deep enough for these guys to avoid each other for long and I don't think they would want to fight each other when they're too old.

            Wilder is in the worst position. Obviously, there's bad blood between Wilder and Joshua. Now, there's also bad blood between Wilder and Fury because Wilder says he was robbed of both a knockout win and a decision win. While Fury says he was robbed of a decision win. I think Joshua-Fury could happen, then the winner would have much more bargaining power over Wilder.

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              #166
              Originally posted by R_Walken
              Just stop

              Yes I get it AJs the man and you’d suck him off if given the opportunity

              We can agree that Wilder / AJ Probably is or near the biggest financial fight to be made

              If that’s the case and Parker got a % Wilder who brings way more to the table in every way possible has to be worth a higher % then Parker who reportedly got in the 33-35% range , But Wilder is worth 20 in your opinion. You realize that by looking at things it would kind of seem like your opinion really dont mean sh.it because you can’t even be honest about the situation and would rather swing off AJs nuts



              Don’t know don’t care 7,10 ,13 ,156 millIon whatever the # is it’s a good payday all that matters is they fought and it was a great fight because both sides negotiated a deal both thought were fair . If one side just made sh.it offers not giving credit to what the other brought or represented revenue wise in it wouldn’t have been made

              didmt Fury say in Pounds so isn’t that around
              Hey man, Wilder may only be worth 20%, but he has been offered 40% so where is he?
              I said he has been made a very generous offer, far more than he is worth. If 40% is not enough to get him in the ring, then it aint happening, and it's because he's is ducking by overpricing with his 50% bs.

              And just because I am a realist, does not mean I want to suck a guy off. That may be how your world turns, but I am not into that stuff. Just get real man. He got offered a fortune for a chance to unify, and he found excuses not to fight. That is a fact.

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                #167
                Originally posted by Froch_uppercut
                Hey man, Wilder may only be worth 20%, but he has been offered 40% so where is he?
                I said he has been made a very generous offer, far more than he is worth. If 40% is not enough to get him in the ring, then it aint happening, and it's because he's is ducking by overpricing with his 50% bs.

                And just because I am a realist, does not mean I want to suck a guy off. That may be how your world turns, but I am not into that stuff. Just get real man. He got offered a fortune for a chance to unify, and he found excuses not to fight. That is a fact.
                Hey man

                I apologize if I got it wrong and your a fan of the sport and not like some on here who drop everything they’re doing
                At the drop of a hat to give AJ fella.tio if given the chance my bad if I assumed wrong

                Now you may believe what you wrote but I completely disagree with it and here’s why.

                The 40% supposed offer which I have doubts about that was the # and believe Hearn but regardless was made at a time when everyone assumed they’re would be a Wilder / Fury rematch, Hearn has to know it wouldnt be taken while those negotiations were happening. No one knew Fury was going to pull some shady sh.it and not make a rematch. It’s convenient to make a legit offer when you know he’s in other negotiations. With Whyte , Fury and Wilder all not taking these supposed offers. You have to believe these offers werent legit to begin with. There’s no way that if a fair offer was made to fight the divisions cash cow to 2nd , 3rd , Maybe 4th HW one would have jumped at the possibility to make crazy $ a chance for all those straps and to most become the clear #1 in HW. There’s never been a cash cow who team says wants all these fights but somehow can’t get the B-side to agree. Like AJ is now the unicorn of the sport as far as being the only cash cow ever to experience this problem.

                Also if Hearn now actually wants to make the fight Like he claims , Why was this offer not presented last summer or at least a % and work from there instead of a flat fee know it’ll get rejected offer

                Also if Hearn really wanted to make the fight why would he have AJ go to DAZN in Sept instead of having the fight on Showtime then moving AJ to DAZn after. Surely if AJ wins the biggest HW fight for all the straps and then have AJ move to DAzn would have surely brought way more buzz to the App and would surely be watched by more then the reported 17k who watched that fight . There is no way Hearn didn’t know for however long that he was going to align with DAZN and way before the so called negotiations happend in the Summer and a fight was never a possibility. Just Hearn fronting like he did now but instead he slides in Miller a opponet no one ever asked for


                Because when it’s time to make the fight and claiming to want the fight then to have AJ go to a new Platform instead of staying on to AJs previous US platform that’s he’s fought on for the last 2 + years even for 1 more
                Fight is more of a sign of Hearn had and has no intention of making the fight with Wilder

                There’s no way Wilder deserves 50% but it has to be more % wise then Parker. I don’t know or care what the actual number is but let’s assume 35-45. With the chance of anything over 40 not being realistic

                I like how AJ fans actually believe Wilder is the one ducking but Fury and AJ have both jumped on to different platforms when a Wilder fight was imminent , which is the biggest reason fights don’t get made when both were in positions for this not to happen and if they wanted the fight could have done so. I’ll blame their teams because it sure looks like they both put up walls preventing the fight then actually wanting it.

                Don’t know if a AJ / Wilder fight happens but if it does I don’t think it’ll be before the end of 2020. When Wilder is 35 + and maybe fading , That’s when Hearn will make it because it gives AJ the best chance. And I’m not dissing AJ he’s a fighter and a warrior he’d fight anyone but his team don’t want it

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                • champion4ever
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                  #168
                  Boxing fans it's time to move on and get over it. The fight has been canceled. Frank Warren and Bob Arum have all but confirmed that they have unofficially pulled out of the purse bid.

                  In addition, Tyson Fury never wanted that smoke again from Deontay Wilder anyhow. In that 12th round knockdown Tyson thought he had died. It literally put the fear of God in him.

                  Moreover, it both scarred and traumatized him mentally. In recent days, he even admitted that he thought he had sustained some kind of permanent physical trauma or brain damage resulting from that head shot he absorbed from Deontay Wilder in that last round.

                  Yes money may have played a major factor in his signing with Top Rank but fear was the main factor in his avoiding the rematch and signing with Top Rank also.

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                  • Reverb
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                    #169
                    Originally posted by alexjust
                    What a mess. In other words the Big Three will fight each other at the age they are wearing oxygen masks. It is incredible how unsportsman-like this sport has become. UFC has many problems, but pitting the best against the best is usually not one of them. Many problems in boxing could have been solved by establishing a governing body. A ship cannot have multiple captains. One division, one belt, one champion. Too bad $$$ would never let that happen.
                    I think that's kind of what this is all about. ESPN, Showtime, DAZN - they're all out in the war to force the others out of boxing.

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                    • Calibaloc
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                      #170
                      Originally posted by champion4ever
                      Without question; Wilder started to time him much earlier in that bout which set up that knockdown. If Deontay was able to catch him once then he would be able to catch him again and finish him this time.
                      This is exactly it. I like Fury but rematches he will avoid for the possiblility that he was figured out and will lose.

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