Comments Thread For: Oleksandr Gvozdyk-Doudou Ngumbu Finalized, March 30, ESPN

[Boxing Logic]

As soon as I seen someone posted a novel defending this mismatch with bs logic

It's only bs if you're arguing every fight should be vs an elite opponent even when you fight every 4 months. Well, I used to argue that too but no one in the sport does that. I guess the prevailing wisdom is that most boxers get too many injuries or too much wear and tear by fighting guys like Stevenson and Beterbiev every 4 months. I don't know if that's true... I'd like to see guys at least try until they get into too much of a hard fight... But in Gvozdyk's case, that already happened vs Stevenson, where Gvozdyk basically got dropped, so this fight is understandable.

So all I'm saying is if Gvozdyk gives fans a fight vs a top opponent every 6 months, that would be industry-leading frequency in modern boxing, so why would I complain about that? That's not bs logic at all, that's just LOGIC.

Put another way... Al Haymon and Stevenson just held the WBC light heavyweight belt hostage for 5 years of almost all cherry picked fights. Oleksandr Gvozdyk is the one who rescued the belt from him and saved the division for 2019. So why would I suddenly, only two months into 2019, turn on the guy who rescued the division from Haymon and Stevenson? That would make no sense. Now if he just ends up doing the same **** as Stevenson and Haymon, then of course I will root for someone else to rescue the belt from him too just like I did with Stevenson, or maybe I will just give up on boxing for good like we all should have done a couple years ago already. But until then, I'm going to support the guy who rescued the belt, and I'm going to understand the fact that he wasn't going to fight Stevenson and Beterbiev 4 months apart, and that he should be giving us a big fight in the summer. But if you're asking why I'm not criticizing THIS opponent specifically, which may not even be competitive... well to be honest I didn't even think of that. I had gotten so used to the entire top 10 rankings refusing to fight Gvozdyk for the title eliminator last year, and **** like that with no one wanting to fight him, that I just assumed this was the best opponent they could get to agree within the WBC top 10.

And that may in fact be true. For example, maybe they thought Barrera was already tied up with Beterbiev. But mostly I just didn't really care because neither Gvozdyk-Barrera or Gvozdyk vs this guy interests me much, not either way. Barrera would of course be better but still not really prove much for Gvozdyk after how bad Barrera looked in both his fights vs top guys so far. Barrera needs to repair his reputation a bit vs a Badou Jack or something. So basically I have no interest in this fight anyway, other than more Gvozdyk highlights are always fun but that's about it. I am just waiting for his actual interesting fight in the summer, I hope.

So I sort of just look at it like Stevenson often only fought once every 9 or 12 months. Well if Gvozdyk fights a unification in say July, that's only 7 months since he fought Stevenson. So judging by Stevenson's normal schedule, that's as if Gvozdyk was fighting a unification in his very next fight after beating Stevenson, just like you want! Only difference is, he's jamming in an extra payday in between, in April, and it'll be a showcase.

When you look at it like that, there's nothing to complain about. Now, is this me lowering my standards? I don't know. But all I ever expect now out of my favorite fighters is two elite opponents per year. That's it. And most the time we don't even get that, most the time we don't even get one, which is why the sport is such a joke. Adonis Stevenson just went 4 years without a single one. Well, from the sounds of it, Gvozdyk is going to try to give us two just this year, starting in the summer, so why would I complain about that when that's two more than Stevenson gave fans for four years, and 1-2 more than most boxers give fans these days? Call it bs logic if you want but it's true.

[kushking]

It's only bs if you're arguing every fight should be vs an elite opponent even when you fight every 4 months. Well, I used to argue that too but no one in the sport does that. I guess the prevailing wisdom is that most boxers get too many injuries or too much wear and tear by fighting guys like Stevenson and Beterbiev every 4 months. I don't know if that's true... I'd like to see guys at least try until they get into too much of a hard fight... But in Gvozdyk's case, that already happened vs Stevenson, where Gvozdyk basically got dropped, so this fight is understandable.

So all I'm saying is if Gvozdyk gives fans a fight vs a top opponent every 6 months, that would be industry-leading frequency in modern boxing, so why would I complain about that? That's not bs logic at all, that's just LOGIC.

Put another way... Al Haymon and Stevenson just held the WBC light heavyweight belt hostage for 5 years of almost all cherry picked fights. Oleksandr Gvozdyk is the one who rescued the belt from him and saved the division for 2019. So why would I suddenly, only two months into 2019, turn on the guy who rescued the division from Haymon and Stevenson? That would make no sense. Now if he just ends up doing the same **** as Stevenson and Haymon, then of course I will root for someone else to rescue the belt from him too just like I did with Stevenson, or maybe I will just give up on boxing for good like we all should have done a couple years ago already. But until then, I'm going to support the guy who rescued the belt, and I'm going to understand the fact that he wasn't going to fight Stevenson and Beterbiev 4 months apart, and that he should be giving us a big fight in the summer.

Maybe I am judging you based on prior posts (because I normally stopped reading them) but stop acting biased,you sht all over other fighters at 1st opportunity but certain fighters are given free passes for eternity(I noticed they seem all to usually be white even when theres no way your a longtime fan of theirs).

I apologize if I added you to the group,but theres TONS of posters on here who set up alts so they can say low key racist sht(& OPENLY racist at times). such as the worst thing they all do is refer to "a certain demographic of low iq ****** residing group are why such & such are selling"(clearly referring to black ppl when said fighters black too)etc.

[chrisJS]

whats disgusting is your lomas #1 nuthugger yet give fighters like Mikey no credit. Show me a single time I have ever done these things you claim,but you can't because your a phony pos who got angered someones finally calling out the white supremacists. I talk crap about ALL fighters when they fight D levels/complete mismatches,& I give plenty of white fighters massive credit you dumb fck(some of my favs are White like Groves/Fury/Beterbiev etc.),(im not black\latino you ****twat)otherwise despite me scrutinizing lomachenko to the same standard as others I don't EVER say hes not elite or that hes not a excellent fighter. But I sure hear biased mofos like you saying all manner of biased nonsense like a fighters true weight division fallacies.

If you knew anything about wtf your accusing me of youd know I referred to stevenson as the canadian pedo Pimp because he used to pimp lil girls. You'd know that I shtted all over every 1 of his mismatch smalltime fights.

But not you you're the guy who defends loma fighting tanks leftovers & smaller guys at age 31 now.

No, your racism is what's most disgusting.

I do give Garcia credit. I think he's a brilliant fighter and I followed his career from very early one.

You are the one who lies about weights. You tried to say Olympic boxing is exactly the same weights as pro's LOL and then I called you out multiple times catching you in your lies and you didn't respond. You didn't even know what the lightweight limit was or when they do the weigh-in's LOL and act like Loma is a welterweight and weight bully lol. You didn't even know why he competed at 132 (same day weigh-in's) at 2012 and not featherweight again as in 2008.

You hate all white fighters. Pretending you like Groves or Beterbiev doesn't make you not racist. Your tone shows what you are.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[Boxing Logic]

Maybe I am judging you based on prior posts (because I normally stopped reading them) but stop acting biased,you sht all over other fighters but certain fighters are given free passes for eternity(I noticed they seem all to usually be white even when theres no way your a longtime fan of theirs).

I apologize if I added you to the group,but theres TONS of posters on here who set up alts so they can say low key racist sht(& OPENLY racist at times). such as the worst thing they all do is refer to "a certain demographic of low iq"etc.

I edited my post after you quoted it with more points, please read if you have a chance.

You are right to notice that trend, but wrong to assume it is racial. These eastern euros come to the US with no built in fanbase. They cant just tweet a bunch like Tank Davis and get million $ contracts. Their only way to build stardom and then $ is to earn it the hard way, by calling out the top opponents & then beating them, collecting the belts, etc. This is extremely attractive to the average boxing fan like me. I think what's happened in boxing is the opposite of what you think in terms of it being white racists. I think there is actually a bias among some fans towards black boxers which has caused them to IGNORE just how bad and boring boxing has gotten, because to them as long as black boxers are winning, they're still getting enjoyment out of it so they overlook those things. It's like how if there is the most boring NBA team in the league, 99% of NBA fans will skip their games, but if that team wins, their home fans will still love the team no matter how boring the action is, because they are just emotionally invested in the team winning, pretty or ugly doesn't matter.

I think it's the same with this group of boxing fans, and it causes them to overlook the fact that repeated Adrien Broner vs Gavin Rees type "world championship boxing" main events actually aren't interesting, or meaningful, at all. These foreign boxers that come to the US with nothing, on the other hand, & really are looking to fight everyone & take the big risks just to make their names, now THAT is exciting. So can you blame us for jumping on board? Now the Klitschkos, they were the most dominant white boxers of this entire era, but they did not cross over with the "racist fans" you talk about. Why not? Because they were boring! That's what is so strange people say these "racist fans" dislike Ward & Floyd because they're black, yet it turns out those fans don't like the white version of that style either, the Klitschkos, proving it really was about the BOXING STYLE not about race. I don't see Caleb Plant getting hyped like GGG either and he's even American! But he's not exciting like GGG. I do think he's very skilled though but doesn't seem the most durable...

Do you see what Im saying though? You assumed what makes the east euros or the Pacquiaos or Chocolatito's more beloved is their race and the racism of the fans, but you didn't consider that maybe they actually ARE different not in their race or genetically, but in their attitudes towards boxing and the excitement and respect they are bringing back to boxing. The attitude of most Al Haymon boxers seems to be "I am already a superstar. Al told me. My only goal is to trend a lot on social media so I become famous enough to pick my own opponents and #callmyownshots so I don't need to fight hard opponents to make big money, instead I'll be able to fight whoever I want. The goal is to make the same money, but easier, just like Floyd said!" The attitude of most these foreign boxers that come to the US with nothing is "I respect boxing. I respect the fans. I want the fans to love me. I know I have no way to support my family or make my name without boxing or the support of the fans (not saying it's right, just saying it's often the case). To make my name, and to make the fans happy, and to honor the sport, I would love to fight any opponent in my weight class, regardless of difficulty OR location, and my goal is to keep fighting every difficult opponent out there until I have collected all four belts and stamped my name in boxing history, and made my name so big that I can make enough money to support my entire family back where I came from and in the future for many generations" etc etc.

They all want to make money. But there is a difference about how the foreign boxers coming over with nothing have been going about it, in this era of boxing, and how most American Al Haymon boxers have been especially in the time buy era of PBC and before. And if you can't see why one is more appealing to fans of SPORTS, not the cherry picking Olympics, not the WWE, but SPORTS where #1 always faces #2, then I don't know what I can tell you. It makes a big difference.

[kushking]

No, your racism is what's most disgusting.

I do give Garcia credit. I think he's a brilliant fighter and I followed his career from very early one.

You are the one who lies about weights. You tried to say Olympic boxing is exactly the same weights as pro's LOL and then I called you out multiple times catching you in your lies and you didn't respond. You didn't even know what the lightweight limit was or when they do the weigh-in's LOL and act like Loma is a welterweight and weight bully lol. You didn't even know why he competed at 132 (same day weigh-in's) at 2012 and not featherweight again as in 2008.

You hate all white fighters. Pretending you like Groves or Beterbiev doesn't make you not racist. Your tone shows what you are.

Welcome to my ignore list.

your a true coward,as cowards do run away,me being racist against whites must be why me & Shadow have a bet where if kov & beiterbiev/Bivol fight I have them to win inside 8 rds & will be forced to post a kovalev gay pic on my profile 4 a month(thats what shadow said hed do if he wins)

Im so racist against white fighters that I never say anything about ANY white fIghter that doesn't mention anything besides their resume/skills etc.

I'm so racist that I was among the only ones telling ppl Fury can school Wilder because "what he did to vlad was a thing of beauty ,& he made AJ look shook,Furys king of UK"

Im so racist that I constantly sht on fighters of every race like Zurdo/Crawford/Andrade/AJ for their cherrypicking ways.

Im so racist I fight with idiots because they are biased as they come,& I scrutinize fighters equally(my posts demonstrate that I value resume above everything else)


My original post wasn't even directed at you but you took offense. it was dedicated to all the chumps who use Alts to be the 1st on every article shtting on any fighter for better competition than Teddy Atlas' fighter yet cry foul when its a white being scrutinized(Atlas himself says hes picking latinos/rivals of his favs to win so afterwards he can cry robbery like he did vs Horn,So my beefs with him/Arum who I don't like because their bias/cherrypick eternally in Arums case)

[Scipio2009]

Pulling the race card makes you look idiotic and like a baby who blames other people for your problems. It's so easy to call someone racist if they say something bad about a person of color when in reality people judge others based on character and merit. Only racist people constantly pull the race card

No one's pulling the race card; I'm simply making the point that folks **** on Adonis Stevenson when he moved over to Showtime for fighting "BS fights", yet Gvozdyk, in his first title defense, is taking on a fighter worse than anyone Stevenson ever stepped in with while champion and no one here is saying ****.

Stand by your inconsistency if you want, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it's most likely a duck.

[Boxing Logic]

My original post wasn't even directed at you but you took offense. it was dedicated to all the chumps who use Alts to be the 1st on every article shtting on any fighter for better competition than Teddy Atlas' fighter

Look, your criticism of this fight in and of itself is totally justified, but here is why no one really cares.

Gvozdyk took the belt from Stevenson. If Stevenson still had it and was still boxing professionally had he not gotten injured, he probably wouldn't even be fighting again until next December anyway. So what does it matter if Gvozdyk gets the first champ's payday of his life in April before hopefully unifying in July or August, which is most likely still much sooner than Stevenson would have fought AT ALL, and certainly much sooner than Stevenson unified after winning the belt (he had it for about 5 years and never unified once, so...).

So, us boxing fans have been dealing with this bull**** of ducking and mismatches by Al Haymon boxers, especially at light heavyweight, for years and years and years. As a result, we were all thrilled to see Gvozdyk rescue the title off Haymon and Stevenson. But now only 2-3 months later, you expect us to be super upset that Gvozdyk is taking a tuneup, probably against the best opponent willing to face him for like a 90/10 split of the money, which is necessary for Gvozdyk to get paid big in a soft touch fight, when Stevenson probably wouldn't even be fighting for 8 more months anyway, and his opponent probably wouldn't be that much better than this guy, and that would probably be the only Stevenson fight we'd see for 18 months, completely stalling the division?

No. We'll criticize if Gvozdyk does an Al Haymon Stevenson, or even half an Al Haymon Stevenson, or even one quarter of an Al Haymon Stevenson. But we're not going to worry about a weak 1st defense when he's already talking about unifications next, and he just came off a hard fight where he got dropped. Fair enough?

[minemax]

...So I sort of just look at it like Stevenson often only fought once every 9 or 12 months. Well if Gvozdyk fights a unification in say July, that's only 7 months since he fought Stevenson. So judging by Stevenson's normal schedule, that's as if Gvozdyk was fighting a unification in his very next fight after beating Stevenson, just like you want! Only difference is, he's jamming in an extra payday in between, in April, and it'll be a showcase....

This. And also we shouldn't forget that Gvozdyk fought only one fight with his new trainer (Atlas) and maybe they need a fight like this to test something and see how it works.

[iNixus]

this is bs

[landotter]

They actually found someone to defend against I have never heard of. Good job.

Off I go to Box Rec and You Tube to see what there is to see.