Comments Thread For: Oleksandr Gvozdyk-Doudou Ngumbu Finalized, March 30, ESPN

[Boxing Logic]

They should have switched to Barrera (the Beterbiev fight is off).

Source? What else do you know? What is next? I'm still waiting on news about Kovalev's next opponent, Beterbiev's future, Gvozdyk's plan if he wins his next fight, and maybe most importantly to the division and its fans, who is Bivol's big crossover legacy "unveil Bivol to the world, sink or swim" summer opponent going to be? Canelo is busy, Callum Smith's team seems desperate to find anyone else who could fill a stadium but will they at least fight Bivol once they realize there are no other good options and DAZN will pay big $ for Bivol, or, are we going to get Bivol vs Gvozdyk that soon? Cuz part of me feels like they are the best two in the division and should be facing in the finals, not the semis, so to speak, but then on the other hand, Kovalev-Beterbiev might happen, leaving only Bivol and Gvozdyk, and if Kovalev could beat Beterbiev, that would put Kovalev in the final which might be even more fun, potentially Bivol vs Kovalev in the final, or maybe Gvozdyk vs Kovalev would happen if all 4 belts were on the line, despite their friendship. Not ideal though but anyway.

What do you think it's going to be? An undisputed 175 champ by end of 2019 would be great!

Another Al Haymon mismatch


*sarcasm*

I'm glad you said this because this is actually a perfect opportunity to make FAIR comparisons, side by side, apples to apples. The belt Gvozdyk has, the WBC light heavyweight world championship, was actually just recently controlled by Al Haymon for about 5 years when Adonis Stevenson had it. After being blocked by Eleider Alvarez, another Al Haymon advised boxer at least at the time, for years, Gvozdyk finally got his mandatory title shot last year, thanks only, Gvozdyk said at the post fight press conference, to his team of lawyers "forcing" Stevenson to sign the "agreement," Gvozdyk called it in his English, that the WBC mandated.

Gvozdyk won that fight, and the WBC light heavyweight world championship along with it, only 3 months ago. If you read this article, he says "my goal is to unify with the other champions in 2019." When Al Haymon controlled this belt for 5 years straight, he made ZERO unification fights. Gvozdyk is saying his goal is to unify within only ONE year.

So let's wait and see. Let's see if at the end of 2019, will Gvozdyk have lapped Al Haymon once, or perhaps even twice? Or, will he not deliver on what he's saying right now? In that case, even though it will only have been on year without unifications compared to FIVE (or so) that we just saw under Al Haymon, I will criticize Gvozdyk and Top Rank, for sure. You know why? Because, apparently, I have at least five times higher standards than many PBC fans, when it comes to boxing, at least based on this example. Because I guarantee you, if Gvozdyk does not fight a top opponent in 2019, the way Stevenson barely did for 5 years, I am going to criticize his whole team, whereas most PBC fans did not do the same with Stevenson, at least not until 4 years or so passed and he got old. Had he still been young, I bet even then they would have defended it, just like they still defend Wilder even though he spent just as much time as Stevenson cherry picking earlier in his career even during peak athletic years, including his late twenties.

And no, Im not backtracking at all. I said unifications, now I said "top opponents." Unification is just the best way to compare apples to apples to what Haymon did when he had the belt. But I was never someone who said "Stevenson needs to unify, just fighting top guys doesn't count." No, I said I wanted him to fight top opponents, whether that was Kovalev (unification) or Andre Ward coming up from 175 (top opponent despite not being unification). So Gvozdyk either needs to unify, OR fight a top opponent. I'm not trying to be vague, I just don't want my opinion on certain things to speak for others. For example, one possibility that's been mentioned has been Gvozdyk vs Zurdo. Now to me, I rate Zurdo fairly highly, and I think he'll be much better at 175, possibly elite at 175. Unfortunately what that means is, if Gvozdyk fights him early on at 175, before Zurdo proves himself vs someone else, Gvozdyk might not get as much credit for it as he deserves, based on how much Zurdo struggled his last couple fights at 168 (but I think that's the weight cut. Just look how Machado lost to someone IMO far below his level at 130 because he was drained. He and Zurdo have similarities. At least Zurdo still won).

So I probably wouldn't advise Gvozdyk to fight Zurdo yet, because it's a low reward fight in terms of legacy, at least until Zurdo proves he's elite afterwards but that's never a surething he can bounce back if you beat him up badly. But if you don't beat him then obviously you won't get credit either. So it's lose/lose.

So that's a fight I'd leave up to you to judge whether you think that should count as a top opponent or not. If not, then just unifications, and that's fine with me. After all, it's what Gvozdyk said is his goal in 2019. So instead of criticizing him 4 months after winning a belt he had to wait years to even get his chance at, because of the typical favoritism and delaying tactics between the WBC and Al Haymon, why don't you wait and see if Gvozdyk delivers on what he says he wants to do? Cuz I have a hunch that because none of these new champs are with Al Haymon, they are going to be willing to move the division along at a much faster, more exciting pace than fans got to see when Haymon controlled the WBC belt in that division.

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I'm glad you said this because this is actually a perfect opportunity to make FAIR comparisons, side by side, apples to apples. The belt Gvozdyk has, the WBC light heavyweight world championship, was actually just recently controlled by Al Haymon for about 5 years when Adonis Stevenson had it. After being blocked by Eleider Alvarez, another Al Haymon advised boxer at least at the time, for years, Gvozdyk finally got his mandatory title shot last year, thanks only, Gvozdyk said at the post fight press conference, to his team of lawyers "forcing" Stevenson to sign the "agreement," Gvozdyk called it in his English, that the WBC mandated.

Gvozdyk won that fight, and the WBC light heavyweight world championship along with it, only 3 months ago. If you read this article, he says "my goal is to unify with the other champions in 2019." When Al Haymon controlled this belt for 5 years straight, he made ZERO unification fights. Gvozdyk is saying his goal is to unify within only ONE year.

So let's wait and see. Let's see if at the end of 2019, will Gvozdyk have lapped Al Haymon once, or perhaps even twice? Or, will he not deliver on what he's saying right now? In that case, even though it will only have been on year without unifications compared to FIVE (or so) that we just saw under Al Haymon, I will criticize Gvozdyk and Top Rank, for sure. You know why? Because, apparently, I have at least five times higher standards than many PBC fans, when it comes to boxing, at least based on this example. Because I guarantee you, if Gvozdyk does not fight a top opponent in 2019, the way Stevenson barely did for 5 years, I am going to criticize his whole team, whereas most PBC fans did not do the same with Stevenson, at least not until 4 years or so passed and he got old. Had he still been young, I bet even then they would have defended it, just like they still defend Wilder even though he spent just as much time as Stevenson cherry picking earlier in his career even during peak athletic years, including his late twenties.

And no, Im not backtracking at all. I said unifications, now I said "top opponents." Unification is just the best way to compare apples to apples to what Haymon did when he had the belt. But I was never someone who said "Stevenson needs to unify, just fighting top guys doesn't count." No, I said I wanted him to fight top opponents, whether that was Kovalev (unification) or Andre Ward coming up from 175 (top opponent despite not being unification). So Gvozdyk either needs to unify, OR fight a top opponent. I'm not trying to be vague, I just don't want my opinion on certain things to speak for others. For example, one possibility that's been mentioned has been Gvozdyk vs Zurdo. Now to me, I rate Zurdo fairly highly, and I think he'll be much better at 175, possibly elite at 175. Unfortunately what that means is, if Gvozdyk fights him early on at 175, before Zurdo proves himself vs someone else, Gvozdyk might not get as much credit for it as he deserves, based on how much Zurdo struggled his last couple fights at 168 (but I think that's the weight cut. Just look how Machado lost to someone IMO far below his level at 130 because he was drained. He and Zurdo have similarities. At least Zurdo still won).

So I probably wouldn't advise Gvozdyk to fight Zurdo yet, because it's a low reward fight in terms of legacy, at least until Zurdo proves he's elite afterwards but that's never a surething he can bounce back if you beat him up badly. But if you don't beat him then obviously you won't get credit either. So it's lose/lose.

So that's a fight I'd leave up to you to judge whether you think that should count as a top opponent or not. If not, then just unifications, and that's fine with me. After all, it's what Gvozdyk said is his goal in 2019. So instead of criticizing him 4 months after winning a belt he had to wait years to even get his chance at, because of the typical favoritism and delaying tactics between the WBC and Al Haymon, why don't you wait and see if Gvozdyk delivers on what he says he wants to do? Cuz I have a hunch that because none of these new champs are with Al Haymon, they are going to be willing to move the division along at a much faster, more exciting pace than fans got to see when Haymon controlled the WBC belt in that division.

That's one long ass post.

[kushking]

Wheres the outrage from all the white supremacists & their alts,now that the just crowned lineal champ is facing a D level instead of someone with a pulse?

Oh I see its only the non top stank Black/Latino fighters who are held to a higher standard despite this surely being the 1st in a long line of bums being lined up by Arum for his new champ to face.

All these clowns who stay calling loma p4p #1 & fighters like Wilder/Canelo/Mikey/Ward/Stevenson etc. cherrypicking thieves/bums etc. as usual show that when a top stank/white fighter faces carefully picked cherries their the greatest,no surprise mexican hater Atlas is behind this fight despite him constantly acting like these fanbois on here whenever its a non top stank fighter.

[Ganondorf]

Gvozdyk will step on DouDou.

[AdonisCreed]

This guy hasn't done Doo Doo to deserve a title shot!! WHO HAS HE BEATEN!!!!!

[kushking]

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As soon as I seen someone posted a novel defending this mismatch with bs logic I instantly knew it was that white supremacist btch named ballbag twattage. Your the same fckin clown who constantly calls fighters like Canelo a cherrypicker theif despite him being the best resume in boxing by far & taking on more top opponents than anyone. Yet here you are as usual demonstrating what a hating ass hypocritical white supremacist you truly are,along with the several Alts you use to lick Arums taint while shtting on non top stank black/latino fighters.

[AdonisCreed]

That's one long ass post.

Right^^^ it took me freaking two hours to scroll down to the bottom of the page for crying out loud lol 😂

[Pigeons]

This is a terrible fight.

[kushking]

To be clear Im NOT saying anyone who flat out hates any of these fighters is a white supremacist,im only saying a very select FEW like Boxing logic/Jubei/& a couple more I don't remember their exact name(some get banned regularly,some Dont,regardless they come back then come on here saying racist sht regularly & hating on most black/latinos in a biased ass manner.)

The most prominent thing they do to demonstrate being WS is attack black fighters/fans calling them "******","****** thugs","project inhabitants"or when they say" a certain demographic of brainwashed low iq ******"etc.etc. I've seen these fools constantly expose themselves when they say sht like this. Otherwise I can care less how you view boxing & I can see them saying Broner is a ****** thug etc. but when some posters say this sht their saying it to fighters without a criminal past,& strawman fans of said fighter.

[SplitSecond]

This guy's name seriously doodoo?