Respect for miller stepping up for USA whilst the coward hides

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IMon

AJ just had an easy fight wayyyyy back in September. Wilder is fighting Ortiz, fury, fury. A tougher 3 oppents in a row than Aj has had. You weren't saying wilder deserves a soft touch.

Miller isn't ranked higher. So yeah Ortiz or whyte DESERVE it more than miller

No, I'm pretty sure wilder cans been hyping up Ortiz after most called wilder would duck him. Because Ortiz would no wilder, but Instead wilder koed Ortiz. THAT'S when wilder fans hyped the Ortiz victory

I think what you are trying to say is that Wilder has a better record lol.
He lost to Fury, and almost lost to an ancient unknown Cuban.
Calm down, he hasn't even.fought Fury a second time yet, and he clearly lost the first.
Meanwhile, Povetkin, Whyte and Klitschko have all been.kod by Joshua.
Take a pill dude, you re getting a little too carried away with your basketball hype job.

[DaNeutral.]

Lol of you're praising "business choices" then wilder soft touching his way to the top should get high praise from you.

Oh, you don't like business choices now? Is there a limit? Wouldn't whyte in England be a better business choice? Wouldn't Ortiz a common opponent that almost koed wilder be a better bus is choice?
It's clear you will flip flop to cram this square conversation into the circle opening.

Around here NO ONE gets soft touches any more and Aj shouldn't be an exception. Business choices, soft touch what ever you want to label your excuse for your favorite fighter getting off easy.

My favorite fighter is Loma. And I say put the best in front of him. I would NEVER say give him a soft touch, business choices. I believe in him. That's why I am a fan. Ajs fans don't seem to believe in him. They believe in business. I believe in boxing.

Respect

LOL. Wilders whole career has been built on soft touches, you seem to keep drawing a line in the sand just as Joshua gets there, its been fine for thousands of fighters over many dacades but its stops just before Joshua? Very convenient for Joshua haters.

You clearly are not thinking with a level head here, you are writing up massive double standards, You are saying Joshua should not be allowed to do what has been the norm in this sport for decades.

Just be honest, you just desperately want to see Joshua lose and the tougher the fight the more chance of you getting your wish and when he didnt pick Ortiz, which is the ONLY thing you want, you spit your dummy out and have a tantrum about it because the weaker the opposition the lower the chance you get what you want which is to see AJ lose.

[Earl-Hickey]

just curious on why he is willing to come to the US the fight Miller but not Wilder and did Joshua get that $50 million from his last fight(dont even remember who he fought last to be honest) or will he get it with Miller??

He got $25 mil for fighting Povetkin last up and he's getting $30 odd for fighting Miller.

Considering AL Haymon and the rest of the US boxing establishment just robbed Fury you can see why Joshua was in the right not to cede every advantage to Wilder.

If Haymon put up $50m for that fight then Joshua would have been up against the full range of American corruption.

He earned his A side status by actually taking on challenges while Wilder avoided them for years on end. Good on him for not giving it up because the yanks got their wallet out.

[Lopez_Boxing]

I think what you are trying to say is that Wilder has a better record lol.
He lost to Fury, and almost lost to an ancient unknown Cuban.
Calm down, he hasn't even.fought Fury a second time yet, and he clearly lost the first.
Meanwhile, Povetkin, Whyte and Klitschko have all been.kod by Joshua.
Take a pill dude, you re getting a little too carried away with your basketball hype job.

What?!? Of course Aj has a better resume. Wtf? You have left the convo bro and I have no idea where you are headed

[Lopez_Boxing]

LOL. Wilders whole career has been built on soft touches, you seem to keep drawing a line in the sand just as Joshua gets there, its been fine for thousands of fighters over many dacades but its stops just before Joshua? Very convenient for Joshua haters.

You clearly are not thinking with a level head here, you are writing up massive double standards, You are saying Joshua should not be allowed to do what has been the norm in this sport for decades.

Just be honest, you just desperately want to see Joshua lose and the tougher the fight the more chance of you getting your wish and when he didnt pick Ortiz, which is the ONLY thing you want, you spit your dummy out and have a tantrum about it because the weaker the opposition the lower the chance you get what you want which is to see AJ lose.

Let's get back on track here. I want to talk about right now. You want to bring up the past. I want Joshua to fight the best.. you re right. If that puts AJ at risk to lose then that's a hazard of fighting the best. I want wilder to fight the best and the same goes with him. Why? Because they are champions. I dont care that AJ is from UK and wilder is from America, makes no difference to me. I want the best man to win and the most deserving man to get a shot at the belt. Lol. Wtf?.

I am not out to get AJ or wish bad on that man. We are supposedly getting one step closer to a undisputed HW champ. OF COURSE I WANT THE TOP 4 TO FIGHT FOR IT. It's not going to be easy for Any one, but that's the point. Proving you're the best isn't easy. Why would you not want Aj to fight the best if you are his fan?

[DaNeutral.]

Let's get back on track here. I want to talk about right now. You want to bring up the past. I want Joshua to fight the best.. you re right. If that puts AJ at risk to lose then that's a hazard of fighting the best. I want wilder to fight the best and the same goes with him. Why? Because they are champions. I dont care that AJ is from UK and wilder is from America, makes no difference to me. I want the best man to win and the most deserving man to get a shot at the belt. Lol. Wtf?.

I am not out to get AJ or wish bad on that man. We are supposedly getting one step closer to a undisputed HW champ. OF COURSE I WANT THE TOP 4 TO FIGHT FOR IT. It's not going to be easy for Any one, but that's the point. Proving you're the best isn't easy. Why would you not want Aj to fight the best if you are his fan?

Well as far as i can see joshua has already beaten better fighters than Ortiz. Id be happy to have that fight i really would but its not a MUST cuz hes already beaten better.

My point is ive gone through so many threads and your criticizm falls on Joshua alone. You never seem to have a bad thing to say about Wilder but the things you say about Joshua are exactly the things you should be saying about Wilder.

Joshua has a much better resume than Wilder in half the time. Joshua has faced a higher calibre of fighter than Wilder in half the time. You can only name 2 acceptable fighters Wilder has fought in 41 fights but moaning at Joshua not facing the best when he has pretty much cleared out the top 10 of the division barr 2 people that dont want to fight him right now.

You said why should Miller get a shot as he is unproven, whose he fought you said. But then you say Ortiz is unproven yet he SHOULD get a shot.

All i ask is when people start attacking, accusing and pointing negative things about Joshua how about you 1st have a look and see how the same argument goes for Wilder and if both need to be pulled up on it pull them both up. But what i see is Wilder fans stepping over Wilders short comings to get to what they think are Joshuas short comings. I just want fairness.

As far as i can see Joshua has achieved a hell of alot in a short spell of time but the vibe i get is Wilder fans feel Joshua has done **** all, took the easy route, took the easy fights while Wilder has done it the hard way and is the one taking on killers one after the other.

Fury. Thats it. Ortiz has done nothing to warrent anybody calling him the best. Why has Joshua not fought Ortiz in 5 years, why has Wilder not fought either Klitchko, Povetkin, Parker or Whyte in 10? For a 10 year career hes fought acceptable opposition in the last 1 year of it. Im cool with that if thats his route but Wilder fans give him a pass and attack Joshua by claiming he has done nothing.

But like i said in an earlier post, i dont actually believe you Wilder fans actually believe what you are saying. If you had any honesty about you on this whole subject you would know most of the accusations that are put Joshuas way should really be aimed at Wilder.

[Lopez_Boxing]

Well as far as i can see joshua has already beaten better fighters than Ortiz. Id be happy to have that fight i really would but its not a MUST cuz hes already beaten better.

My point is ive gone through so many threads and your criticizm falls on Joshua alone. You never seem to have a bad thing to say about Wilder but the things you say about Joshua are exactly the things you should be saying about Wilder.

Joshua has a much better resume than Wilder in half the time. Joshua has faced a higher calibre of fighter than Wilder in half the time. You can only name 2 acceptable fighters Wilder has fought in 41 fights but moaning at Joshua not facing the best when he has pretty much cleared out the top 10 of the division barr 2 people that dont want to fight him right now.

You said why should Miller get a shot as he is unproven, whose he fought you said. But then you say Ortiz is unproven yet he SHOULD get a shot.

All i ask is when people start attacking, accusing and pointing negative things about Joshua how about you 1st have a look and see how the same argument goes for Wilder and if both need to be pulled up on it pull them both up. But what i see is Wilder fans stepping over Wilders short comings to get to what they think are Joshuas short comings. I just want fairness.

As far as i can see Joshua has achieved a hell of alot in a short spell of time but the vibe i get is Wilder fans feel Joshua has done **** all, took the easy route, took the easy fights while Wilder has done it the hard way and is the one taking on killers one after the other.

Fury. Thats it. Ortiz has done nothing to warrent anybody calling him the best. Why has Joshua not fought Ortiz in 5 years, why has Wilder not fought either Klitchko, Povetkin, Parker or Whyte in 10? For a 10 year career hes fought acceptable opposition in the last 1 year of it. Im cool with that if thats his route but Wilder fans give him a pass and attack Joshua by claiming he has done nothing.

But like i said in an earlier post, i dont actually believe you Wilder fans actually believe what you are saying. If you had any honesty about you on this whole subject you would know most of the accusations that are put Joshuas way should really be aimed at Wilder.

I think you're just jumping to conclusions about me first wilder doesn't top my list of some one I'm a fan of. I like wilder because I like boxing. He has great power, a terrific killer instinct, and heart. I've made this clear multiple times. Wilders resume, skill, technique, anything boxing related speaks for itself.
He has none.

I've said yes the kimbo slice of boxing. Meaning he's a backyard brawler that has over achieved and I'm happy for him. Wilder has never been exposed. He will never be exposed. He can't be exposed, because his outrageous, ridiculous flaws, from poor balance, to hell everything he does is wrong, has been on display since day one. If anything wilder since day one. If anything he is exposing the the Entire HW division.

You keep saying the same thing over and over, you and all joshua fans. You twist any comment so you guys can give this cookie cutter response.

AJ is average. His best win is klit who was TWO YEARS inactive, 40 years old, coming off a loss where he looked like complete shlt in his own home. And Aj still had a hell of a time. All ajs best wins are over much smaller much older men. In UK.

Which I'm sure you you criticized andre ward about always fighting at home. I don't know, but you guys all fit the same mold, so I would almost guarantee, you taken away from Floyd's best wins, because his opponents "old" (even though they were still youner than floyd) or discredited broners best wins because broner was bigger than the guys (130,135)

It's you hardcore AJ fans that are hypocrites and can't stick to the same script

Like, Ortiz. I said he was unproven because he wasn't getting the opportunity to fight top guys. He was avoided. Wilder didn't label him a bogey man. The press did, commentators did. WAY before be fought wilder. So since he hasn't fought the top guys we don't know how good he is.

When the first fight got canceled with Ortiz, i don't know, but I'll guarantee you and many others, said wilder was ducking Ortiz. Wilder would never fight Ortiz. Wilders making excuses. and after the fight happened then Ortiz was old man with heart problems. The ref helped wilder Yadda yadda.

No one in boxing is hyping miller. Not only is Miller unproven no one thinks be has anything to prove.

I could go on for ever but you know the truth. Aj fans can't and don't critize Aj and there is a lot to mention starting with he is just an average Hw in a super weak ear.

I'm not out to hate on aj, I just respond to someones OPINION with my own and it drives you guys JUST and you insult me because I view AJ different. Well that's normal. Or I bring up aj and you guys deflect and defend by bringing up wilder. Fck wilder. Stick to the subject

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I think you're just jumping to conclusions about me first wilder doesn't top my list of some one I'm a fan of. I like wilder because I like boxing. He has great power, a terrific killer instinct, and heart. I've made this clear multiple times. Wilders resume, skill, technique, anything boxing related speaks for itself.
He has none.

I've said yes the kimbo slice of boxing. Meaning he's a backyard brawler that has over achieved and I'm happy for him. Wilder has never been exposed. He will never be exposed. He can't be exposed, because his outrageous, ridiculous flaws, from poor balance, to hell everything he does is wrong, has been on display since day one. If anything wilder since day one. If anything he is exposing the the Entire HW division.

You keep saying the same thing over and over, you and all joshua fans. You twist any comment so you guys can give this cookie cutter response.

AJ is average. His best win is klit who was TWO YEARS inactive, 40 years old, coming off a loss where he looked like complete shlt in his own home. And Aj still had a hell of a time. All ajs best wins are over much smaller much older men. In UK.

Which I'm sure you you criticized andre ward about always fighting at home. I don't know, but you guys all fit the same mold, so I would almost guarantee, you taken away from Floyd's best wins, because his opponents "old" (even though they were still youner than floyd) or discredited broners best wins because broner was bigger than the guys (130,135)

It's you hardcore AJ fans that are hypocrites and can't stick to the same script

Like, Ortiz. I said he was unproven because he wasn't getting the opportunity to fight top guys. He was avoided. Wilder didn't label him a bogey man. The press did, commentators did. WAY before be fought wilder. So since he hasn't fought the top guys we don't know how good he is.

When the first fight got canceled with Ortiz, i don't know, but I'll guarantee you and many others, said wilder was ducking Ortiz. Wilder would never fight Ortiz. Wilders making excuses. and after the fight happened then Ortiz was old man with heart problems. The ref helped wilder Yadda yadda.

No one in boxing is hyping miller. Not only is Miller unproven no one thinks be has anything to prove.

I could go on for ever but you know the truth. Aj fans can't and don't critize Aj and there is a lot to mention starting with he is just an average Hw in a super weak ear.

I'm not out to hate on aj, I just respond to someones OPINION with my own and it drives you guys JUST and you insult me because I view AJ different. Well that's normal. Or I bring up aj and you guys deflect and defend by bringing up wilder. Fck wilder. Stick to the subject

You said it again. You said Wlad and Povetkin are just a bunch of old men but Ortiz is a great win and a dangerous fight. I dont think thats fair i think that is a biased view. Joshua beats 2 ex world champs, 1 of them an ATG and they are just old men, Wilder beats somebody of the same age who has never achieved anything significant as a pro in 30 fights but hes a legit win for Deontay Wilder and Joshua is ducking him.

Like i said the big Wilder - Joshua debate is deep in double standards. Wilder fans pull Joshua up on something while patting Wilders back for being far more guilty of the same accusation. And i feel you definitely fit in to that catagory.

[Lopez_Boxing]

You said it again. You said Wlad and Povetkin are just a bunch of old men but Ortiz is a great win and a dangerous fight. I dont think thats fair i think that is a biased view. Joshua beats 2 ex world champs, 1 of them an ATG and they are just old men, Wilder beats somebody of the same age who has never achieved anything significant as a pro in 30 fights but hes a legit win for Deontay Wilder and Joshua is ducking him.

Like i said the big Wilder - Joshua debate is deep in double standards. Wilder fans pull Joshua up on something while patting Wilders back for being far more guilty of the same accusation. And i feel you definitely fit in to that catagory.

Youre doing it again. I never spoke from a personal view if Ortiz is a good or bad win. I'm not attacking Aj. I dont know if it is or isn't. Ortiz would have to fight another top guy for me to determine.

Wald, is a great name to have on the resume. At that point in his career it wasn't a great win. Horn doesn't get much credit for beating pacquiao. Aj shouldn't get too much credit for beating said.

Look AJ is doing what he is supposed to do. WIN. and for that I give him major props. But I see him for what his fans are scared to admit. He's average. No real talent. Put him in a 6'2 frame I don't think he gets some victories. His size isn't a skill, for AJ it's a blessing.

Is he more talented than Wilder, no doubt. But I believe i have more boxing talent than wilder.

I'm not scared of AJ winning. If Aj is the better man I hope he wins. May the best man win. Straight up.. I'm not of AJ winning. You re scared of him losing.

You see im a Loma fan. I'm not scared of him Losing, he's lost. He didn't lose many fans because wiN or lose his talent is still a thing of beauty to watch.

Wilders fans dont care if he loses. He's lost. He didnt lose many fans be auss But his extreme power is still a thing of beauty so people will tune in.

Ajs appeal is his physic and his 0. When he loses he will lose A LOT of fans. Because he's average and he when he loses (everyone loses) no one will care any more because he doesn't bring much else
I hope he never loses. I hope he becomes the greatest heavyweight of all time and proves me wrong..

But right now his skill set looks average. Can you admit he looks average?

[Thuglife Nelo]

stepping up is rather practical when you're a house fighter for Matchroom Boxing. There was another Matchroom figher who was begging Hearn for a rematch with Joshua...so much drama that his contract was changed to per fight stipulations