Comments Thread For: Eubank Jr: DeGale Grudge Match is Up There with Froch-Groves 1

[Split Decision]

Alot of these UK guys are delusional. I mean at this point is this fight even a big deal over there? I remember Froch Groves2 being a MUUUUUUCH bigger deal.

well one was at wembley stadium and one wasnt so yeah

but he said froch groves 1

which is still wrong

[_Rexy_]

not even on terms of rivalry

groves froch 1 was a legit grudge match as carl looked down on groves and groves didnt respect froch, genuine hate there

eubank and degale dont like each other because they needed to to sell the fight

Really? I was under the impression that they had some long standing grudge, and the issue people had with it is that they're both shot at this point. (well, Degale is shot and Eubank just turned out to be not good)

[apollocreed]

I was referring to the level above world, if he was aiming to be elite then I take it assumed he must have got to solid world class.


is he ***, several have eclipsed him already and its only been 8 years, nor did he top some who came before him. Sure hes backdoor hall of fame though by getting his unrecognised defences "retro-recognised".

So solid world class is not a failure.

Re Calzaghe, I said it's almost universally acknowledged. It's not just my opinion, that's a fact. I could give you loads of examples where he's been voted as the best ever at 168 by respected magazines, journalists, boxers etc. This website voted him as an ATG. I'll give you links if you want when I have time.

[DreamFighter]

So solid world class is not a failure.

exactly, and he failed to reach elite level, the two are mutally operative.

Re Calzaghe, I said it's almost universally acknowledged.

and I said hes not, thats a fact.

[apollocreed]

exactly, and he failed to reach elite level, the two are mutally operative.

and I said hes not, thats a fact.

Like I said, many journalists, ex pro's, websites etc have stated he's the best at 168. Whether you agree with the term 'almost universally recognized' doesn't really matter.
There will always be people who disagree, but the overall consensus is that he's an ATG.

https://www.boxingscene.com/measured-against-all-time-joe-calzaghe--16920

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/the-greatest-super-middleweight-boxers-of-all-time/37137

[DreamFighter]

Like I said, many journalists, ex pro's, websites etc have stated he's the best at 168. Whether you agree with the term 'almost universally recognized' doesn't really matter.
There will always be people who disagree, but the overall consensus is that he's an ATG.

https://www.boxingscene.com/measured-against-all-time-joe-calzaghe--16920

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...all-time/37137

its not, way more agree that jones would have handily outpointed him if not stopped.

[apollocreed]

its not, way more agree that jones would have handily outpointed him if not stopped.

No it isn’t. I’ve not seen a majority of journalists, websites etc that say that.
Some, OK, but not a majority.
Emanuel Steward said during the HBO commentary for the Calzaghe Jones fight that Calzaghe would have been a hard fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

[DreamFighter]

No it isn’t. I’ve not seen a majority of journalists, websites etc that say that.
Some, OK, but not a majority.
Emanuel Steward said during the HBO commentary for the Calzaghe Jones fight that Calzaghe would have been a hard fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

sure hard fight, but he would have handily outpointed him.
so therefore joe is not the best SMW, you've agreed already.
the list continues. joe has been left behind.

[apollocreed]

sure hard fight, but he would have handily outpointed him.
so therefore joe is not the best SMW, you've agreed already.
the list continues. joe has been left behind.

I haven’t agreed to ****ing anything. I said Steward said Calzaghe could possibly beat prime Jones.
I never said what I think would happen. As I stated to begin with, I’m not even talking about my personal opinion.
The fact is numerous journalists, websites and pros have stated it is THEIR opinion he is the best ever at 168, and an ATG.
Me personally, I tend to give more credence to the hall of fame panel than dreamfighter on boxingscene.

[DreamFighter]

I haven’t agreed to ****ing anything. I said Steward said Calzaghe could possibly beat prime Jones.

steward didnt say anything of the sort, the words u chose said it would be a hard fight. u need a new quote to substantiate that. TUTTUT - claiming you got the facts and then using a lie instead. You ruined your own credibility.

I think what you do mean is joe is the most accomplished SMW. He definitely has an argument for that, though one would consider Sven Ottke to be ahead seeing as he made more recognised title defences. Sven being the forum joke is besides the point.


Thats your sole argument of credence. Hardly the greatest in terms of ability, ward outdid his greatest career end feat in his first SMW title fight.

Likewise several SMWs would be considered better H2H. Sadly we dont know h2h because joe kept well clear of them nearly all his career.