Comments Thread For: Kovalev: The Last Fight Alvarez Got Lucky, I'll Prove I'm Better

[Boxing-1013]

Show the stats and facts to show that kovalev beat ward clearly.
I've never brought race into any post I've ever written on boxingscene.
If u have facts and stats to show kovalev beating ward clearly, I'd be happy to look at them.
Your friend hasn't produced any facts despite me asking him five times.

You mental midget. The 'facts' are watching the fight. It was as clear as day that Ward was getting his ass kicked the first 6 rounds. Just how it was. At times Compubox does not reflect what I see and what actually happens in the fight. I mentioned this yet you continue to trot out your same arguments. You are not a serious person and I care nothing about your opinion on boxing or anything else.

You had Ward winning 4 of the first 6 rounds against Kov. You probably had Alvarez winning 10-2 against Kov last. After all he had a higher connect percentage in 10/12 rounds. Save your terrible boxing analysis for someone who cares, I certainly don't.

[DuckAdonis]

All the people trashing Kovalev were made to look ******

[harry-greb]

Lol. You said Ward won 4 of the first 6 with Kovalev. Your opinion on boxing just means nothing to me and trying to explain anything to you is not anything I have any interest in. People who know ZERO about boxing could have scored those first 6 rounds better than you, that should tell you everything you need to know.

Oh ok,despite ward outlanding him in rounds 3 and 5. And kovalev outlanding ward by 2, 2, and 1 in the other 3 rounds. Thats as one-sided a beatdown as ive ever seen. When my FACTS are destroying your OPINION but you still plough on, there is nothing more to say.

Still waiting on your counter facts but I dare say I'll be waiting a while.

[Boxing-1013]

Oh ok,despite ward outlanding him in rounds 3 and 5. And kovalev outlanding ward by 2, 2, and 1 in the other 3 rounds. Thats as one-sided a beatdown as ive ever seen. When my FACTS are destroying your OPINION but you still plough on, there is nothing more to say.

Still waiting on your counter facts but I dare say I'll be waiting a while.

Again ignoring my post where I mention my thoughts on the punch stats. Later Grub. Watch the fight, Mr Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds.

[harry-greb]

You mental midget. The 'facts' are watching the fight. It was as clear as day that Ward was getting his ass kicked the first 6 rounds. Just how it was. At times Compubox does not reflect what I see and what actually happens in the fight. I mentioned this yet you continue to trot out your same arguments. You are not a serious person and I care nothing about your opinion on boxing or anything else.

You had Ward winning 4 of the first 6 rounds against Kov. You probably had Alvarez winning 10-2 against Kov last. After all he had a higher connect percentage in 10/12 rounds. Save your terrible boxing analysis for someone who cares, I certainly don't.

Sub 80 IQ, mental midget.
Once again u produce no facts ( while also dis*****g combubox) and resort to schoolyard insults. Tut tut.
When the ridiculous hbo scorecard was read to Paulie during the 8th or 9th round, he said "they're missing a great fight". Something to ponder.

Nah, kovalev won last night. A great win for him. Possibly the best win of his career.

[harry-greb]

Again ignoring my post where I mention my thoughts on the punch stats. Later Grub. Watch the fight, Mr Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds.

I've always said a couple of those first six rounds were hard to score. They could have gone to kovalev but I favoured ward.
The punch stats are a very good barometer for how a round is going and in 5 of those first 6 rounds, the punch stats indicate a close fight.
Am I speaking Chinese???

[harry-greb]

You said Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds against Kovalev in the first fight. You are not a serious person and your opinion on boxing means nothing to me.

As I mentioned previously, Alvarez has 5 legit no-controversy wins - Kov, Miranda, Chilemba, Bute, and Pascal.

Ward's only real non-controversial top win was over Froch and that was a hardly impressive 7-5 win. His wins over Kov are really a clear loss and a probable DQ. Between the second Kov fight and Kessler fight, he could have easily been DQd in one of them. If he had been a no-name from Colombia like Alvarez he undoubtedly would have been DQd, probably twice.

His other top wins are draining an already shot Dawson, then Bika, Barrera and Miranda. I watched all 3 of those fights unlike most Ward 'fans.' There was hardly anything between them in all 3 of those fights, especially the Bika and Barrera fights. Anyone who knows boxing and watches those fights would score them very closely. But because Bika and Barrera are nobodies who have no promotional angle they are never going to get rounds against Ward in Oakland. There is a reason why Ward fought all of his fights as the home fighter. He has to as he has no real talent to separate against other good fighters. Just the way it is.

As I have mentioned many times before, I have 0 interest in talking boxing with you at all. You said Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds against Kov in the first fight. When I make my general points to back up my POV and point out to you why you are so off-base, you ignore my points and re-hash the same arguments and talking points you just made.

You are not a serious person and I have 0 interest in anything you have to say regarding boxing. Have a nice day.

Are u seriously telling me that Alvarez is a better fighter than ward??????
Please tell me you're joking

[Boxing-1013]

Are u seriously telling me that Alvarez is a better fighter than ward??????
Please tell me you're joking

Wow I think we figured it out - you can't read - I literally just laid out Alvarez's resume vs Ward's. You just make the same posts every time like an NPC robot. This was my previous post, Mr Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds (you should change your username to that):

'You said Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds against Kovalev in the first fight. You are not a serious person and your opinion on boxing means nothing to me.

As I mentioned previously, Alvarez has 5 legit no-controversy wins - Kov, Miranda, Chilemba, Bute, and Pascal.

Ward's only real non-controversial top win was over Froch and that was a hardly impressive 7-5 win. His wins over Kov are really a clear loss and a probable DQ. Between the second Kov fight and Kessler fight, he could have easily been DQd in one of them. If he had been a no-name from Colombia like Alvarez he undoubtedly would have been DQd, probably twice.

His other top wins are draining an already shot Dawson, then Bika, Barrera and Miranda. I watched all 3 of those fights unlike most Ward 'fans.' There was hardly anything between them in all 3 of those fights, especially the Bika and Barrera fights. Anyone who knows boxing and watches those fights would score them very closely. But because Bika and Barrera are nobodies who have no promotional angle they are never going to get rounds against Ward in Oakland. There is a reason why Ward fought all of his fights as the home fighter. He has to as he has no real talent to separate against other good fighters. Just the way it is.

As I have mentioned many times before, I have 0 interest in talking boxing with you at all. You said Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds against Kov in the first fight. When I make my general points to back up my POV and point out to you why you are so off-base, you ignore my points and re-hash the same arguments and talking points you just made.

You are not a serious person and I have 0 interest in anything you have to say regarding boxing. Have a nice day.'


Again I have 0 interest in discussing anything relating to boxing with you, or really having any discussion at all with you. You have already lost any 'debate' we have had numerous times. Every time you make a dumbass argument, I respond with a counter, correcting you or illustrating my point. You in turn make the same point over and over again. I don't think you can read, and I certainly don't think your reading comprehension skills or analysis skills are up to par. Pick up a new sport to watch.

[harry-greb]

Wow I think we figured it out - you can't read - I literally just laid out Alvarez's resume vs Ward's. You just make the same posts every time like an NPC robot. This was my previous post, Mr Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds (you should change your username to that):

'You said Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds against Kovalev in the first fight. You are not a serious person and your opinion on boxing means nothing to me.

As I mentioned previously, Alvarez has 5 legit no-controversy wins - Kov, Miranda, Chilemba, Bute, and Pascal.

Ward's only real non-controversial top win was over Froch and that was a hardly impressive 7-5 win. His wins over Kov are really a clear loss and a probable DQ. Between the second Kov fight and Kessler fight, he could have easily been DQd in one of them. If he had been a no-name from Colombia like Alvarez he undoubtedly would have been DQd, probably twice.

His other top wins are draining an already shot Dawson, then Bika, Barrera and Miranda. I watched all 3 of those fights unlike most Ward 'fans.' There was hardly anything between them in all 3 of those fights, especially the Bika and Barrera fights. Anyone who knows boxing and watches those fights would score them very closely. But because Bika and Barrera are nobodies who have no promotional angle they are never going to get rounds against Ward in Oakland. There is a reason why Ward fought all of his fights as the home fighter. He has to as he has no real talent to separate against other good fighters. Just the way it is.

As I have mentioned many times before, I have 0 interest in talking boxing with you at all. You said Ward won 4 of the first 6 rounds against Kov in the first fight. When I make my general points to back up my POV and point out to you why you are so off-base, you ignore my points and re-hash the same arguments and talking points you just made.

You are not a serious person and I have 0 interest in anything you have to say regarding boxing. Have a nice day.'


Again I have 0 interest in discussing anything relating to boxing with you, or really having any discussion at all with you. You have already lost any 'debate' we have had numerous times. Every time you make a dumbass argument, I respond with a counter, correcting you or illustrating my point. You in turn make the same point over and over again. I don't think you can read, and I certainly don't think your reading comprehension skills or analysis skills are up to par. Pick up a new sport to watch.

You forget to mention that I think there were a couple of swing rounds in the first 6 rounds. They could have gone either way. I have consistently produced facts and stats to back up my argument.
You, on the other hand, say that kovalev kicked his ass in those 5 nip and tuck rounds but you haven't produced a single stat or fact to back up your case, despite me asking numerous times.
Your OPINION is not FACT.
In any debate FACTS trump OPINIONS every time.

Oh and regarding Alvarez or Ward, you should start a thread, see how it goes for you!!!!!!!! Hahaha

[Boxing-1013]

You forget to mention that I think there were a couple of swing rounds in the first 6 rounds. They could have gone either way. I have consistently produced facts and stats to back up my argument.
You, on the other hand, say that kovalev kicked his ass in those 5 nip and tuck rounds but you haven't produced a single stat or fact to back up your case, despite me asking numerous times.
Your OPINION is not FACT.
In any debate FACTS trump OPINIONS every time.

Oh and regarding Alvarez or Ward, you should start a thread, see how it goes for you!!!!!!!! Hahaha

If there are a couple of swing rounds, to give Ward 4 rounds, you are insinuating that he had 2 clear rounds in the first 6, which is absurd. Or even worse, you are saying of the 5 non KD rounds, you think Ward deserved 4/5 of them, which is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard as far as boxing goes.

Haven't watched the fight in a while but I have a pretty good memory. Watching the fight is the proof that Ward was unfortunately getting his ass kicked. You should honestly try it:

Round 1 - no real action, other than Kov staggering Ward with a hard jab, and then Kov also had a good few punch combo that backed Ward up. Otherwise no big shots in this round. Ward feeling Kov's power and fighting defensively.

Round 2 - Ward getting touched up throughout the round and then dropped on a short right hand. Taking a lot of damage and starting to realize he cannot engage with Kov right now as Kov is too long and too strong. Ward taking a pretty bad beating in this round.

Round 3 - fairly close round, with Ward still doing a lot of avoiding and running from Kov. After feeling Kov's power he is very wary to engage him, which is smart. But that means he is letting Kov dictate the pace and control the ring as Ward just tries to avoid Kov and at times pick his spots. This is running - not boxing and moving. Fairly close round with Kov landing the harder shots and a couple more of them. Tightest round so far but still pretty clear for Kov. To give it to Ward you have to really be trying to give him every round possible.

Round 4 - Kov lands a few big exchanges on Ward as Ward continues to run around the ring/tries to avoid Kov. All the hard shots are coming from Kov and Ward seems to content to survive in there. Clear round for Kov and at this point in the fight Ward has hardly had a significant moment.

Round 5 - Fairly close, similar to round 3. Not a lot in it but if you went to this round and scored it in isolation, Kov should probably just get it. But I give it to Ward as I gave Kov the last close round (3). Kov still landing the bigger punches and Ward still looking like Kov's prey.

Round 6 - Another clear round for Kov, as he lands a few big shots in the round, stinging Ward's eardrum a couple of times. Ward seems content to survive these rounds and hope that Kov's power will fade.

Anyone giving Ward 2 of the first 6 is being incredibly generous and is looking for ways to give him rounds. To give him more than 2 is just complete fan-boy stuff and to give him 4 is not possible. It just isn't there.

If you watch the first six rounds and see Ward doing anything other than surviving, running around the ring, and taking a lot of big punches, then you are not watching the same fight that actually happened.

Why would I start a thread - I don't care what other people's opinions are regarding Alvarez or Ward, we've seen on this site that a lot of people for some reason want Ward to be something that he wasn't as far as boxing goes. He seems like an OK guy but as a boxer he was very fortunate to be in the place he was and to have the 'success' he had. I don't care about the opinion of 100 people - I care about what the truth is. And as you illustrated with your response - you apparently have no answer to Alvarez's top 5 wins being better than Ward's, which, when taking into account the circumstances in which Ward won, Alvarez's top wins are objectively better.