Comments Thread For: Kovalev: The Last Fight Alvarez Got Lucky, I'll Prove I'm Better

[harry-greb]

If there are a couple of swing rounds, to give Ward 4 rounds, you are insinuating that he had 2 clear rounds in the first 6, which is absurd. Or even worse, you are saying of the 5 non KD rounds, you think Ward deserved 4/5 of them, which is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard as far as boxing goes.

Haven't watched the fight in a while but I have a pretty good memory. Watching the fight is the proof that Ward was unfortunately getting his ass kicked. You should honestly try it:

Round 1 - no real action, other than Kov staggering Ward with a hard jab, and then Kov also had a good few punch combo that backed Ward up. Otherwise no big shots in this round. Ward feeling Kov's power and fighting defensively.

Round 2 - Ward getting touched up throughout the round and then dropped on a short right hand. Taking a lot of damage and starting to realize he cannot engage with Kov right now as Kov is too long and too strong. Ward taking a pretty bad beating in this round.

Round 3 - fairly close round, with Ward still doing a lot of avoiding and running from Kov. After feeling Kov's power he is very wary to engage him, which is smart. But that means he is letting Kov dictate the pace and control the ring as Ward just tries to avoid Kov and at times pick his spots. This is running - not boxing and moving. Fairly close round with Kov landing the harder shots and a couple more of them. Tightest round so far but still pretty clear for Kov. To give it to Ward you have to really be trying to give him every round possible.

Round 4 - Kov lands a few big exchanges on Ward as Ward continues to run around the ring/tries to avoid Kov. All the hard shots are coming from Kov and Ward seems to content to survive in there. Clear round for Kov and at this point in the fight Ward has hardly had a significant moment.

Round 5 - Fairly close, similar to round 3. Not a lot in it but if you went to this round and scored it in isolation, Kov should probably just get it. But I give it to Ward as I gave Kov the last close round (3). Kov still landing the bigger punches and Ward still looking like Kov's prey.

Round 6 - Another clear round for Kov, as he lands a few big shots in the round, stinging Ward's eardrum a couple of times. Ward seems content to survive these rounds and hope that Kov's power will fade.

Anyone giving Ward 2 of the first 6 is being incredibly generous and is looking for ways to give him rounds. To give him more than 2 is just complete fan-boy stuff and to give him 4 is not possible. It just isn't there.

If you watch the first six rounds and see Ward doing anything other than surviving, running around the ring, and taking a lot of big punches, then you are not watching the same fight that actually happened.

Why would I start a thread - I don't care what other people's opinions are regarding Alvarez or Ward, we've seen on this site that a lot of people for some reason want Ward to be something that he wasn't as far as boxing goes. He seems like an OK guy but as a boxer he was very fortunate to be in the place he was and to have the 'success' he had. I don't care about the opinion of 100 people - I care about what the truth is. And as you illustrated with your response - you apparently have no answer to Alvarez's top 5 wins being better than Ward's, which, when taking into account the circumstances in which Ward won, Alvarez's top wins are objectively better.

Round 1 - feeling out round. A lot of feinting, some nice jabs from both fighters. Yeah that hard kovalev jab won him the round.

Round 2 - not much to say. Ward was in trouble. I remember thinking at the time that kovalev was gonna stop him within 4. Virgil was having a canary in the corner.

Round 3 - ward regained his composure. He's far from running. C'mon now. Do u expect him to stand there gatti-ward style and get smashed especially after a torrid 2nd. It was a close round but I thought ward took it. There was a lovely jab off the left hook that really rocked kovalevs head back. Again I'll say it was a swing. Could easily have gone to kovalev. After watching it twice yesterday I'm happy giving it to ward

[harry-greb]

Round 1 - feeling out round. A lot of feinting, some nice jabs from both fighters. Yeah that hard kovalev jab won him the round.

Round 2 - not much to say. Ward was in trouble. I remember thinking at the time that kovalev was gonna stop him within 4. Virgil was having a canary in the corner.

Round 3 - ward regained his composure. He's far from running. C'mon now. Do u expect him to stand there gatti-ward style and get smashed especially after a torrid 2nd. It was a close round but I thought ward took it. There was a lovely jab off the left hook that really rocked kovalevs head back. Again I'll say it was a swing. Could easily have gone to kovalev. After watching it twice yesterday I'm happy giving it to ward

Round 4
Ward shooting jabs to the body then a clinch (kovalev expending a lot of energy underhooking wards arms and walking him back to the ropes to prevent infighting)

They exchange jabs. Ward concentrating on the body, kovalev sneaking in some nice right uppercuts as ward coming in low.

Ward is doing more in the clinch.

A couple more good jabs from each guy and the round finishes.

I still give ward the round.

You say ward is running around the ring. It's boxing, not Saturday night brawling outside the local bar.

You say all the hard shots coming from kovalev. Point them out to me.

You say ward content to survive. What are u talking about????? He's attacking in spurts, working the body forcing kovalev to expend energy tie- ing him up. Kovalev landed some good jabs but I don't see him landing "all the hard shots".

Round 5
Couple of good jabs from ward.
A nice double right to hd and bdy from kov in close.

They exchange grazing jabs.
Kov lands a lovely left counter at 2mins left in round.

Fake jab to body followed by flush up jab to the face from ward that rocked kov head back. 1m34s

Kov moving ward back with feints while ward doing well slipping and partying shots.
Ward working the body in the clinch.
Both exchange good jabs

I give it to ward but it was close.

You say kov landing the bigger punches. Point them out to me.

You say ward looking like prey. Come on now. If thats what prey looks like.......!!!!!

I'll get back to u with the 6th
But so far you've gone from ward getting his ass kicked for 6 rounds to "not much happening in the 1st; a close 3rd round; and a fairly close 5th". No further questions, your honour.

[Boxing-1013]

Round 4
Ward shooting jabs to the body then a clinch (kovalev expending a lot of energy underhooking wards arms and walking him back to the ropes to prevent infighting)

They exchange jabs. Ward concentrating on the body, kovalev sneaking in some nice right uppercuts as ward coming in low.

Ward is doing more in the clinch.

A couple more good jabs from each guy and the round finishes.

I still give ward the round.

You say ward is running around the ring. It's boxing, not Saturday night brawling outside the local bar.

You say all the hard shots coming from kovalev. Point them out to me.

You say ward content to survive. What are u talking about????? He's attacking in spurts, working the body forcing kovalev to expend energy tie- ing him up. Kovalev landed some good jabs but I don't see him landing "all the hard shots".

Round 5
Couple of good jabs from ward.
A nice double right to hd and bdy from kov in close.

They exchange grazing jabs.
Kov lands a lovely left counter at 2mins left in round.

Fake jab to body followed by flush up jab to the face from ward that rocked kov head back. 1m34s

Kov moving ward back with feints while ward doing well slipping and partying shots.
Ward working the body in the clinch.
Both exchange good jabs

I give it to ward but it was close.

You say kov landing the bigger punches. Point them out to me.

You say ward looking like prey. Come on now. If thats what prey looks like.......!!!!!

I'll get back to u with the 6th
But so far you've gone from ward getting his ass kicked for 6 rounds to "not much happening in the 1st; a close 3rd round; and a fairly close 5th". No further questions, your honour.

K. You are so disingenuous. I said - Not much happening, besides getting lit up in one exchange and almost dropped with a jab. 2 rounds of the first 6 were fairly close and both of those in isolation should have gone to Kov probably. Ward got lit up again in the 2, 4 and 6th rounds. That is getting your ass kicked, on the top level. But still getting your ass kicked. Just how it was that night.

[harry-greb]

K. You are so disingenuous. I said - Not much happening, besides getting lit up in one exchange and almost dropped with a jab. 2 rounds of the first 6 were fairly close and both of those in isolation should have gone to Kov probably. Ward got lit up again in the 2, 4 and 6th rounds. That is getting your ass kicked, on the top level. But still getting your ass kicked. Just how it was that night.

I'm back.
Round 6. Again a close round.
1st minute is basically an exchange of jabs to the body followed by am extended clinch.
2nd minute ward jab followed by kov right hand followed by a clinch.
A nice right hand by kovalev @1m26

3rd minute exchange of jabs
A couple of jabs and a right hand by kov followed by a clinch.

On reflection I'd give that round to kovalev. He did the better work.

So I have it 3 rounds apiece with kov a point up with the knockdown.
It's the only round in the first 6 that I would change on my card.

With regard to ward getting lit up in the first round, are you talking about the exchange with 1 min to go???
From what I see, kov 's first Jab got through, his second jab was blocked. The right hand was also blocked but the jab after the right hand got through and then they clinch with kov landing a right to the side of ward in the clinch. He's hardly getting lit up is he???


Where did ward get lit up in the 4th???
Give me the time in the round and I'll look at it.

Again I don't see ward getting lit up in the 6th but if u give me the time in the round?