Comments Thread For: Jaime Munguia Continues To Gain Momentum For Bigger Things

[MC Hammer]

Guess what? When Munguia is in his late 20’s and fighting “real champs” his defense & skill set should also be greatly improved. I know you don’t believe it, seeing how Hurd defense is non existent and skill level hasn’t improved by his age but not everyone remains a weight bully throughout their careers. There’s Canelo for one who’s defense improved leapes and bounds after fighting Mayweather, so you see progression does happen there’s just have to be a willingness and desire for it and Munguia possesses both. And yes he is the future of the MW division kid has already headline shows on HBO and now DAZN and acquired the backing of the biggest fan base in the sport the Mexican & Mexican-American fans.

Look at what you said, AFTER he fought Mayweather Canelo got better. Mungina will never be in with the Mayweathers of his division, or even the Thurman's or Danny Garcia's of his division. They won't want Andrade or Jacobs until they are completely shot so who will he fight that will push his progression?

If you remember, Hurd's first televised fight he didn't take many punches at all, only with Trout, Harrison and Lara has he taken these hits. These are good fighters. Mungina is taking hits from scrubs and the fact that he isn't facing real comp means he will never get better. And as far as the Mexican/Mexican American base-they couldn't keep HBO alive and HBO had the same fighters while paying them less -so why should I believe he will become the face of the sport when him and Canelo couldn't keep viewership on their last platform, the most famous boxing platform in history?

[Eastlos]

Look at what you said, AFTER he fought Mayweather Canelo got better. Mungina will never be in with the Mayweathers of his division, or even the Thurman's or Danny Garcia's of his division. They won't want Andrade or Jacobs until they are completely shot so who will he fight that will push his progression?

If you remember, Hurd's first televised fight he didn't take many punches at all, only with Trout, Harrison and Lara has he taken these hits. These are good fighters. Mungina is taking hits from scrubs and the fact that he isn't facing real comp means he will never get better. And as far as the Mexican/Mexican American base-they couldn't keep HBO alive and HBO had the same fighters while paying them less -so why should I believe he will become the face of the sport when him and Canelo couldn't keep viewership on their last platform, the most famous boxing platform in history?

You realize Munguia is being positioned to fight Canelo within the next 2 yrs, right? If fighting a top 3 P4P fighter in Canelo isn’t considered the cream of the crop I don’t know what is. Also, about fighting the Thurman’s of the division I expect Golden Boy and Matchroom to announce a fight later this yr or early next for Munguia vs. Brooks. You know the same Kell Brooks who many people consider Spence best win. Also, don’t forget Munguia signed to fight GGG last Cinco de Mayo but was rejected by the Vegas commission, so don’t act like the kid is scared to fight anyone. Let me ask you who was Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence even the Charlo’s fighting @ 22 yrs old? The answer is a bunch of gatekeepers and bums Danny didn’t fight the Khan’s & Maidana’s until his mid 20’s. If we gonna blame Munguia for HBO decision to get out of boxing then we might as well blame Spence, Hurd, Porter and the entire PBC stable for Spike tv, NBC, shoot even CBS for getting out of the boxing game as well I mean they no longer show any of those PBC mismatches they use to show, LOL.

[MC Hammer]

You realize Munguia is being positioned to fight Canelo within the next 2 yrs, right? If fighting a top 3 P4P fighter in Canelo isn’t considered the cream of the crop I don’t know what is. Also, about fighting the Thurman’s of the division I expect Golden Boy and Matchroom to announce a fight later this yr or early next for Munguia vs. Brooks. You know the same Kell Brooks who many people consider Spence best win. Also, don’t forget Munguia signed to fight GGG last Cinco de Mayo but was rejected by the Vegas commission, so don’t act like the kid is scared to fight anyone. Let me ask you who was Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence even the Charlo’s fighting @ 22 yrs old? The answer is a bunch of gatekeepers and bums Danny didn’t fight the Khan’s & Maidana’s until his mid 20’s. If we gonna blame Munguia for HBO decision to get out of boxing then we might as well blame Spence, Hurd, Porter and the entire PBC stable for Spike tv, NBC, shoot even CBS for getting out of the boxing game as well I mean they no longer show any of those PBC mismatches they use to show, LOL.

Brook, you mean he's set to fight ANOTHER blown up Welter Weight? Good job Mungina, you're really proving yourself as a true JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT champ lmao.

You keep saying who did these guys fight at 22, but you're not saying who did they fight 6 YEARS into their careers. Why? Because they fought competition leaps and bounds better than what Mungina's doing. Nor are you asking who did they fight by their 32 fight. I bet you don't give Wilder a pass based on his comp 32 fights in tho lol. He had 138 amateur fights, why the slow professional progression?

And yeah you can blame Spence and them for not actually fighting on the platform consistently.

[Eastlos]

Brook, you mean he's set to fight ANOTHER blown up Welter Weight? Good job Mungina, you're really proving yourself as a true JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT champ lmao.

You keep saying who did these guys fight at 22, but you're not saying who did they fight 6 YEARS into their careers. Why? Because they fought competition leaps and bounds better than what Mungina's doing. Nor are you asking who did they fight by their 32 fight. I bet you don't give Wilder a pass based on his comp 32 fights in tho lol. He had 138 amateur fights, why the slow professional progression?

And yeah you can blame Spence and them for not actually fighting on the platform consistently.

Isn’t Spence fighting a blown up lightweight in Garcia next? What about Tank isn’t he fighting another 126 lbs in Ruiz? Unlike those opponents Kell Brooks has actually fought @ MW before and against GGG a Top 3 MW. Why go by age? LOL, Let me make this easy for yah to understand 6 yrs in their careers Thurman, Garcia, Porter, Spence the Charlo’s all where in their mid 20’s by then. Their bodies where more mature as well as their skill set
than when they where in their early 20’s believe it or not that makes a whole lot of difference. So yeah, I think going by age makes a lot more sense when judging a fighter progresses when their 22 yrs old than by the amount of yrs in their careers mind you Munguia became a Champion in his 5th yr as a pro the same amount of yrs it took both Garcia, Porter to become world champs and one less yr than it took Thurman. Don’t even bring up Wilder, dude didn’t actually fight anyone worth a damn until he fought King Kong Ortiz dude hasn’t earn a pass if you ask me. When it’s all said and done Munguia became a Champion @ 21 has beaten 2 former 154 lbs belt holders by 22 and has headline shows in Texas & Vegas, the kid keeps winning while you keep staying salty, LOL.

[TheUptownKid]

Jaime is fun to watch and he has an Arsenal of punches. He has no defense and will lose to the top talent at 54-60, but so would every other 22 year old in the world. I like him, but he needs to be managed properly and brought along with his growth in mind, not legacy building st this point

[MC Hammer]

Isn’t Spence fighting a blown up lightweight in Garcia next? What about Tank isn’t he fighting another 126 lbs in Ruiz? Unlike those opponents Kell Brooks has actually fought @ MW before and against GGG a Top 3 MW. Why go by age? LOL, Let me make this easy for yah to understand 6 yrs in their careers Thurman, Garcia, Porter, Spence the Charlo’s all where in their mid 20’s by then. Their bodies where more mature as well as their skill set
than when they where in their early 20’s believe it or not that makes a whole lot of difference. So yeah, I think going by age makes a lot more sense when judging a fighter progresses when their 22 yrs old than by the amount of yrs in their careers mind you Munguia became a Champion in his 5th yr as a pro the same amount of yrs it took both Garcia, Porter to become world champs and one less yr than it took Thurman. Don’t even bring up Wilder, dude didn’t actually fight anyone worth a damn until he fought King Kong Ortiz dude hasn’t earn a pass if you ask me. When it’s all said and done Munguia became a Champion @ 21 has beaten 2 former 154 lbs belt holders by 22 and has headline shows in Texas & Vegas, the kid keeps winning while you keep staying salty, LOL.

How are the fighters skillsets more refined at an older age, but the same amount of experience? If I just started lifting weights and a kids younger than me had been doing it longer will I have the form that he has? Of course not. Experience builds skill. He has had more fights and years fighting so he should be at a point of stepping up, but his handlers and you as a fan don't think he can win.

Jaime had over 130 amateur fights and still hasn't stepped up, wilder went Olympic his 2nd after walking in a gym. 50 fight amateur and pro later he is a REAL champion in his division. That's less experience but more progress.

My point stands that Jaime isnt showing progress. He will need tough fights to get that progress, but GB won't put him in to get those fights so he'll stagnate. If he's gonna do the things you say he'll need the matchups like JRock, Lubin, John Jackson jr, Charles Hatley, Trout especially trout. Tough tricky fights where he will have to think. All he is doing now is seek and destroy and that's okay for his promoter because its "fan friendly" but it won't develop him

[Eastlos]

How are the fighters skillsets more refined at an older age, but the same amount of experience? If I just started lifting weights and a kids younger than me had been doing it longer will I have the form that he has? Of course not. Experience builds skill. He has had more fights and years fighting so he should be at a point of stepping up, but his handlers and you as a fan don't think he can win.

Jaime had over 130 amateur fights and still hasn't stepped up, wilder went Olympic his 2nd after walking in a gym. 50 fight amateur and pro later he is a REAL champion in his division. That's less experience but more progress.

My point stands that Jaime isnt showing progress. He will need tough fights to get that progress, but GB won't put him in to get those fights so he'll stagnate. If he's gonna do the things you say he'll need the matchups like JRock, Lubin, John Jackson jr, Charles Hatley, Trout especially trout. Tough tricky fights where he will have to think. All he is doing now is seek and destroy and that's okay for his promoter because its "fan friendly" but it won't develop him

Oh please... Don’t use physical fitness as an analogy to skills set those are two completely different things. In boxing fighters in their early 20’s aren’t being matched up with the same level of competition as fighters who are in their mid 20’s and consider contenders. We both know the better the competition the better your development. Honestly, all I’m hearing from you is why isn’t Munguia fighting the other champs @ 154 lbs. Let me ask you this do you think Lubin learn anything from being sparked in the 1st round by Charlo? I don’t, fact is...I think it hinder his growth dude was put in with a career 140 pounder in Silverio Ortiz in his next fight, just so he could look good how does that make him better? Better yet how about the cautionary tale of Fernando Vargas dude bit off more than he could chew at such an early age fighting the best in Oscar, Tito, Winky which cause the end of his career @ 28 yrs old and his shot of making the HOF. As far as fighting the JRock, Hartley, Lubin’s of the world those guys aren’t even fighting each other the only name those 3 have in common are the Charlo’s all of whom face them in their mid to late 20’s w/t the exception of lubin but we know how that ended for him. Also, Munguia’s amatuer record was 128-10, so no he didn’t have over 150 amateur fights. As for using Wilder as an example please the heavyweight division was a joke for a long time I have more respect for AJ for fighting Klitschko than I will ever have for Wilder, dude couldn’t even beat someone who was out of boxing for yrs in Fury. Again, Munguia offense has shown improvement from the Ali fight to the Inoue fight as far as his defense goes is still non existent. However, the more experience he receives with his new trainer in Alcazar the better his defense and skills should get again he’s 22 yrs old not 28 or 33 time is on his side and obviously kid doing something right seeing how he already has haters such as yourself at such an early age.