Comments Thread For: Arum: Crawford vs. Spence is Big Enough For Co-PPV Event

[Bronx2245]

Hooker is with RocNation/DAZN (not sure if he actually has a deal with Matchroom USA), and has a 140lb belt just as things are starting to scorch again.

The WBSS winner (I think it'll end up being Prograis, who would have the WBA/IBF and WBC Diamond, most akin to the WBA Super, 140lb belts around his waist) is pretty easy to get on DAZN, and Barios, Broner, Figueroa Jr, and a few others are nice fights on FOX/Showtime.

There's no reason for him to take the fight, tbh, unless Arum is offering $5m+ to him too

As the WBO Champ he could get demand that fight if he chose to!

[JWHardin]

Yup, while Spence is talking about fighting guys who have zero interest in fighting him. The Porter family already said the want PPV money, the kind of money they are willing to pay M.Garcia in a mismatch. You can be assured Thurman and Danny want the same thing. Spence is "on the other side of the street" within his own stable. Instead of engaging with the only champion who is asking for the fight he would rather sit around playing the role of bully to the champions that do not. Like he told Crawford to his face "why wouldn't I take the easy route".

All BS. If Crawford wanted the fight as bad as you say they would be making Spence offers. Spence told Arum to his face "you have Al's number."
No offer has been made.
Neither Spence nor Crawford are afraid to fight each other. They will fight each other before the other top guys I am pretty sure, because the other guys know it is an uphill battle beating those two. See how Spence vs MG goes. Either it will give the others more confidence, or push them away further.

[JWHardin]

Khan really doesn't have many holes in his game; his issue is that he's got a fatal flaw that derives almost directly from years and years of focusing on his gift of fast hands. He rushes into combinations the same way and stays around too long. Virgil has done his damnedest to try and break that habit, but Khan has only kind of taken to the fix The expectation is that Khan will be Khan, fall into his old habits at some point, and Crawford (with OK pop at 147lbs, but nothing really hard) will catch him late with a blind shot.

Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence Jr is an entirely different fight though, in the sense that both guys are sharp boxer-punchers (with Mikey likely having a touch more sheer craft), Spence is southpaw, and Spence will likely be in the ring with about 10lbs more of functional than Garcia has (I fully expect to see Spence come in as a sturdy 161-162lbs while Mikey comes in a bit doughy 155-156lbs).

In matchups where the skills are generally paralleled, things don't usually end up going well for the smaller guy. Should be a great fight, but if Spence starts snowballing on Mikey, I expect Robert to protect his brother.

Let's say Khan doesn't have many holes in his game like you say. Maybe he just isn't that smart or talented beyond his fast hands. He struggled badly with Chris Algieri and Sammy Vargas. I don't think I need to say a whole lot more. I think the Joseito Lopez we saw last night probably would have KO'd Khan, and I also consider him a gatekeeper like the other two I mentioned. Khan is an excellent 3 or 4 round boxer. One of the best amateur boxers we will ever see.

[killakali]

The numbers UFC just put up after week one on the ESPN are substantial. Top Rank will have to make some serious moves to compete and remain a priority for that network.

This statement doesn't surprise me one bit. He can't go around talking about 500k PPV buys anymore. He has to make something happen fast for the business to have a viable future. Things are only going to get tighter from here. PBC is starting this revamp off very strong. With FOX all in, it's hard to see any if their fighters fighting outside of that ecosystem.

The only exceptions would be Browne, Charlo (160), and Wilder. Not seeing many others who would need to consider venturing out for a fight.

lol Top Rank has a 7 year deal. He has more time to build tonrhst than PBC which has 3 and 4 year deals before they would need to renew.

You seem to forget Espn isn’t all about one sport. It’s the whole package they are selling. It’s like saying if MLB doesn’t give espn+ better games they will drop baseball because ufc started off with a ****.

Espn+ wants to have a large variety of content. That’s why getting UFC to go along ortho boxing, mlb, 3 soccer leagues, college football and hockey was so big to them.

Boxing is just a piece of the puzzle.

Where as DAZN so far is relying mostly on boxing and bellator. That is a much tougher sell and is under much more pressure to produce sooner.

[killakali]

Khan isn't a Haymon fighter. He's more like Cotto in his post-TR days. He just takes the money where it is.

Jacobs didn't have a choice. Canelo is the money pot at 160. Charlo will have to do the same, if he ever gets the opportunity. Btw, Haymon has sent many fighters out to fight on other platforms.

Prograis, Alvarez, Commey, etc. are all Haymon affiliated guys. They all are fighting outside of the PBC ecosystem now (or soon). Haymon does what's best for the fighters. He always has.

this is false. Haymon desperately Tried to bring Jacobs back to pbc after his Hearn deal expired. He didn’t want him to go to DAZN. He couldn’t match the deal DAZN and Hearn presented.

He needed Jacobs to come back to increase his chances to retain control over Charlo and to keep him in the fold at PBC. Haymon is worried about doing ratings on SHO and Fox. Not at DAZN or espn.

Just like he tried desperately to keep Eleider Alvarez at PBC. Browne just won and that was the fight to make. Now it’s slim pickings at PBC at 175 after Top Rank lured alvarez and beterbiev.

If u think Haymon wanted these deals because they are the best for his fighters you are naive and are fooling yourself. If that was the case he would have already negotiated a big 8 figure deal with Hearn or GBP for 3 fights for Jermall and would be negotiating a deal with Top a Rank for browne.

Haymon also wanted to keep Collazo from espn but without the prospects of a big fight he went to espn as well.

Haymon doesn’t have control over Prgrais either. He will end up at ESPN like most DiBella fighters after WBSS. He will be at espn like DiBella fighters Richard Commey, Hot Rod and Kerman Lejarraga

Prograis is also managed by Churchill group who has Alex Saucedo.

Guys like Prograis, Jacobs, Alvarez and like Beterbiev have managers and Haymon didn’t have control over them the way he does a Danny Garcia or an errol spence.

Haymon is always thinking in what’s best for PBC first. Don’t kid yourself. And thats the way it should be. But if he can’t stop a fighter from jumping ship he’s still there to collect his fee and maybe bring them back after.

[killakali]

Let's wait until both of their PPV numbers come out to claim that. Both would have to get close to a million.

What I would have liked to see is a trade with Spence/Crawford on FOX PPV and Garcia/Lomachenko on ESPN PPV.

But that makes to much sense

neithrr will hit 400k. Maybe not even 300k

[killakali]

-Spence-Mikey on FOXPPV in March, Spence-Porter/Ugas on FOXPPV or SHOPPV in August (just before the start of football season), Spence-Danny on FOXPPV or SHOPPV in December/January 2020 (either during the lull before bowl season or after the NFL Playoffs), and Thurman-Spence late spring 2020.

-Thurman-Lopez on FOX tonight, Thurman-Pacquiao on SHOPPV in July, Thurman-TBA on FOX in December/January 2020, and Thurman-Spence (likely for SHOPPV) late Spring 2020.

-Wilder-Fury on SHOPPV in December 2018, Wilder-Fury 2 on SHOPPV in May/June, and Wilder-Joshua on SHOPPV or Wilder-Breazeale on FOXPPV or SHOPPV in Fall/Winter.

Spacing things out March/May/July/August/December/January 2020, and them May 2020, Crawford is going to be on the outside looking in for a long time.

lmao when did u become pbc matchmaker ?

[Scipio2009]

Let's say Khan doesn't have many holes in his game like you say. Maybe he just isn't that smart or talented beyond his fast hands. He struggled badly with Chris Algieri and Sammy Vargas. I don't think I need to say a whole lot more. I think the Joseito Lopez we saw last night probably would have KO'd Khan, and I also consider him a gatekeeper like the other two I mentioned. Khan is an excellent 3 or 4 round boxer. One of the best amateur boxers we will ever see.

Not much I can argue with; though Algieri working with a well-schooled camp definitely helped him a ton, and not having Virgil Hunter working against his bad habits likely didn't help for the Vargas fight either.

Khan is a great 3-round fighter, and Virgil's work with him has helped make him a really good to great 8-round fighter

[Scipio2009]

lmao when did u become pbc matchmaker ?

Not to difficult to infer, but I guess that isn't obvious to some.

Everyone knows that the goal is to unify the WBC/WBA/IBF 147lb belts under one face, and have that face be the PBC star fighter at 147lbs for however long they can keep winning out until that person can't make the weight.

The rest is using the information that's already known and seeing where everything else fits logically.

If its wrong then it's wrong; I've taken my guess at it, and it makes sense to me so I'm standing by my guess.

[killakali]

Not to difficult to infer, but I guess that isn't obvious to some.

Everyone knows that the goal is to unify the WBC/WBA/IBF 147lb belts under one face, and have that face be the PBC star fighter at 147lbs for however long they can keep winning out until that person can't make the weight.

The rest is using the information that's already known and seeing where everything else fits logically.

If its wrong then it's wrong; I've taken my guess at it, and it makes sense to me so I'm standing by my guess.

Half of those fights won’t happen. Things change. People move up in weight. Mandatories get ordered. A waste of time to speculate that far.