Pacquiao vs Broner Tracking Over 400k Buys

[killakali]

We don't know what was guaranteed or not. How else would a network ever lose money if they make no guarantees? There is a number this PPV had to hit to cover the expenses for the network.

no there isn’t.
Showtime takes their 7.5% cut and that’s it. Risk is all in the promoter. In this case pbc. Showtime and HBO never lose money. Expenses get paid first.

[KTFOKING]

everywhere I look I see close to 600k. If it was inflated wouldn’t u think there is a good chance these numbers are a little inflated too?

On the other hand who would have thought soft spoken Tim bradley would double Broner’s numbers?

Not even a fair comparison. Pac's star level at that time>>>>>now.

[killakali]

Networks absolutely take some risks on the PPVs. It depends how the deal is agreed upon but go listen to Evan Rutkowski's podcast about when PPVs fall short of networks expectations if there is a certain sum of money they guarantee on their end. This leads to taking money from their boxing budget.

manny isn’t signed to SHO. No need to guaranteeanything. You thinking like of Floyd’s SHO contract.

[killakali]

Not even a fair comparison. Pac's star level at that time>>>>>now.

It is though. Look at who he fought after that. Since Marquez 4 mil excluding Floyd what has sold well?

[IceTrayDaGang]

everywhere I look I see close to 600k. If it was inflated wouldn’t u think there is a good chance these numbers are a little inflated too?

On the other hand who would have thought soft spoken Tim bradley would double Broner’s numbers?

different times.. pac was still holding up good numbers at that time. plus the 1st fight it was a new face for pac to fight and tim was undefeated, 2nd fight there was drama from the 1st, 3rd fight they billed it as pac's last fight. so all that added in will do a lot better than this fight with broner which barely had any promotion and at this late in pac's career.

[Motorcity Cobra]

everywhere I look I see close to 600k. If it was inflated wouldn’t u think there is a good chance these numbers are a little inflated too?

On the other hand who would have thought soft spoken Tim bradley would double Broner’s numbers?

When the number first came out everybody was saying 460k. Even Iole reported that. Then HBO said they aren't going to release the numbers and will leave it up to the promoter. Then suddenly the numbers jumped up to 600k

The @Canelo @AmirKingKhan PPV did 460k buys, including 145k on Direct & 230k on cable. Story to come soon.

— Kevin Iole (@KevinI) May 12, 2016

But Gomez slipped up on the conference call for Canelo-Smith and said the fight didn't do 600k

In May Oscar claimed Canelo-Khan did 600k buys & reports of fewer sales were WAY OFF. For #CaneloSmith projection... pic.twitter.com/SB14kZJV7Z

— Jake Donován (@JakeNDaBox) August 25, 2016

[KTFOKING]

no there isn’t.
Showtime takes their 7.5% cut and that’s it. Risk is all in the promoter. In this case pbc. Showtime and HBO never lose money. Expenses get paid first.

That's not true. Networks can absolutely lose money on fights. Espinoza himself said if they PPV fails expectations it can take away from the budget.

Now, there are different deals done for different fights. For example, Roc Nation had their own guarantee for Ward regardless of how the PPV did. SHO had their deal with Floyd with certain guarantees.

SHO takes 10% of the cut AFTER cable distributors get their part. So if the fight did 400k buys, they will be getting 10% from the $15 million. And they are the ones that paid for the promotion/advertisement.

[KTFOKING]

manny isn’t signed to SHO. No need to guaranteeanything. You thinking like of Floyd’s SHO contract.

Doesn't matter if he is signed to SHO or not. Go listen to Evan Rutkowski's podcast where he breaks all this down. Sure, Haymon is going to be taking the biggest blow if the PPV doesn't reach expectations, but there are certain guarantees through SHO as well.

[KTFOKING]

It is though. Look at who he fought after that. Since Marquez 4 mil excluding Floyd what has sold well?

It isn't even close to a fair comparison. You think Pacquiao is as popular now as he was back then? First fight did 890k buys where Pacquaio still hadn't suffered a loss for that long stretch. Second fight was after the JMM KO and dropped to 750-800k. Third fight AFTER the Floyd loss did 400k-500k. Then after the Bradley fight he lost to Horn and hadn't fought in the states in his last two fights. The decline in buys relates to how popular Pacquiao was at that certain stage.

Is Bradley a bigger name than say Algieri/Vargas/Rios? Of course, but he did double the buys as this PPV at a time Pacquiao was on another level name wise.

[killakali]

When the number first came out everybody was saying 460k. Even Iole reported that. Then HBO said they aren't going to release the numbers and will leave it up to the promoter. Then suddenly the numbers jumped up to 600k

The @Canelo @AmirKingKhan PPV did 460k buys, including 145k on Direct & 230k on cable. Story to come soon.

— Kevin Iole (@KevinI) May 12, 2016

But Gomez slipped up on the conference call for Canelo-Smith and said the fight didn't do 600k

In May Oscar claimed Canelo-Khan did 600k buys & reports of fewer sales were WAY OFF. For #CaneloSmith projection... pic.twitter.com/SB14kZJV7Z

— Jake Donován (@JakeNDaBox) August 25, 2016

and Keith Idec just tweeted Pac-Broner did a tick more than 325k buys so I guess Canelo-Khan was still a lot more