Comments Thread For: Wilder-Fury Rematch: Purse Bid Set For February 5, 60-40 Split

[_Rexy_]

Completely agree. This isn't an order to Fury. The only claim they have over him is rankings. It's an order to Wilder.

If Fury's in at 40%, Wilder has to fight or vacate.

Here’s the thing, and I could be way off. Both guys want the fight, but it’s money that is the discussion. Frank has even said it’s likely going to be in Vegas. If I’m wilder, even if I don’t want to fight fury (which I believe he does, but that’s moot) I sign on for the 60% either way. I likely wasn’t getting that cut in negotiations, I’m definately not getting more than 60% and it’s up to Fury now if the fight happens or not.

WBC may have inadvertently done Wilder a big favor. Hell, WBC’s greed may have just gotten BOTH fighters a lot more money than they would have otherwise gotten.

[Bronx2245]

If money is the motivation Fury would be fighting AJ. You can't have it both ways.

You're assuming Fury would be making more money with AJ. Go ask Frank Warren! Go ask Dillian Whyte about negotiating with AJ! Go ask Luis Ortiz! Fury is going to fight Wilder because he can't negotiate with Hearn or Joshua! He's going to make a lot more money in the rematch, and if he wins, he will get nothing less than 50/50 for Joshua, because he will be "the man that beat the man (Wlad), and the man that beat the man AJ ducked!" And he would have done both "on the road," which makes Tyson Fury (if he wins) "THE MAN!"

[kafkod]

How exactly does that work? Assuming the argument is about money...where is the benefit in Warren putting up $50 million for a fight and fighter he has nothing to do with? $50 million is massive amount of money for a fight Warren has no control over in another country and not on his contracted network. Where is the profit in that? Can someone please explain because as far as I can see it doesn't make financial sense which leads me to believe it was a BS statement to make Anthony Joshua look bad to the casual fan with no business sense.

Does anyone have a reasonable explanation? What am I missing?

BT put up the money, not Warren, because they wanted to get control of the screening rights to the fight.

[kafkod]

Here’s the thing, and I could be way off. Both guys want the fight, but it’s money that is the discussion. Frank has even said it’s likely going to be in Vegas. If I’m wilder, even if I don’t want to fight fury (which I believe he does, but that’s moot) I sign on for the 60% either way. I likely wasn’t getting that cut in negotiations, I’m definately not getting more than 60% and it’s up to Fury now if the fight happens or not.

WBC may have inadvertently done Wilder a big favor. Hell, WBC’s greed may have just gotten BOTH fighters a lot more money than they would have otherwise gotten.

Wilder's team won't want it going to a bid, and neither will Warren. It would be a fantastic fight for DZN to pick up, and Hearn is saying they are ready to put up "a f***ing fortune" for it if there is a purse bid.

It will be an absolute disaster for Haymon, Spinoza, and Warren if the fight ends up on DZN in the US and Sky in the UK, with Hearn as the lead promoter.

DZN, Sky, and Matchroom all throwing their money together would be damned hard to beat!

[_Rexy_]

Wilder's team won't want it going to a bid, and neither will Warren. It would be a fantastic fight for DZN to pick up, and Hearn is saying they are ready to put up "a f***ing fortune" for it if there is a purse bid.

It will be an absolute disaster for Haymon, Spinoza, and Warren if the fight ends up on DZN in the US and Sky in the UK, with Hearn as the lead promoter.

DZN, Sky, and Matchroom all throwing their money together would be damned hard to beat!

End of the day, Wilder works under the three richest people in the business. People keep talking about DAZN's war chest boxing budget, but at the end of the day they chose to air NO boxing instead of Whyte/Chisora. I still don't understand the business decision. DAZN will likely never have as many free trials as they did after the Canelo fight, and they decided to show 0 boxing for the next 30 days.


Though watch Don King come out of nowhere and secure the fight.

[kafkod]

This BT Sport involvement is a red herring.

Warren says that Finkel contacted him when he was putting together a counter offer to Eddie Hearn. Finkel asked Warren to go to his contacts at BT Sport for a quote on how much a Joshua v Wilder fight in the US could make in UK PPV. They would then use this number whilst calculating what the fight was worth and how much they could offer AJ to sign. So BT Sport weren't funding the $50m, they were giving the US based team an idea of the market value of the UK rights to the fight.

This has subsequently been spun into BT Sport funding the offer or that the $50m offer was dependent on BT sport getting the rights. I don't believe this was the case. I think the plan would be to tell Sky, 'this is what we think the fight is worth, match or better it or your guy will be appearing on the rival BT Sport network'

Warren explicitly said that BT were putting up money because they wanted to buy control of the fight and screen it themselves.

AJ also said that accepting the offer would have meant him breaking his contract with Sky and he would have had to pay them half of whatever he got for the fight.

[kafkod]

End of the day, Wilder works under the three richest people in the business. People keep talking about DAZN's war chest boxing budget, but at the end of the day they chose to air NO boxing instead of Whyte/Chisora. I still don't understand the business decision. DAZN will likely never have as many free trials as they did after the Canelo fight, and they decided to show 0 boxing for the next 30 days.


Though watch Don King come out of nowhere and secure the fight.

Whyte vs Chisora was of no interest to US boxing fans, especially not in the afternoon, so DZN gave Hearn permission to sell the rights to ST.

I don't know who you believe the richest men in boxing are, but they couldn't outbid Ryabinski for Wilder/Povetkin, and I seriously doubt they could outbid 2 massive, multi national corporations like Sky and DZN.

Especially not DZN, who would be ready to put up more than they could rake back, because they are at the "investing for the future" stage of their US operation.

[Oshio]

WBC needs the sanctioning fee too and they needed to hasten things up. It should be 50/50 or 60/40 in favour of Fury

[Oshio]

If it is taking place in the UK that is

[Scipio2009]

Eddie Hearn just said that he will bid a fortune if this goes to purse bid and since it's DAZN money, he has no limit.

There is a limit though, lol. And Canelo has basically made it known. $35m per fight notes an implicit value on the max US TV rights at $70m, or 1 million PPV buys at $65/$75.

Eddie Hearn is unlikely to be given anywhere that much leeway for a one-off fight for a bout where neither is signed to DAZN.

Wilder-Fury generated $22m-$25m on the first fight, and the interest in the rematch will likely double that.