Is Luis Ortiz the greatest myth in boxing history?

[Toffee]

Again Aj & whyte.

I just wrote a whole post explaining why they're not ducking him and that's your response.

Thick as shit.

[REDEEMER]

Ortiz wladimir is a huge fantasy fight of mine, ortiz was avoided back then too. Very intriguing to see if he handles wlads jab and grab style or falls victim too. Sadly fantasy is all it will ever be

Ortiz first step up fight was 2015. He was suspended after the Kayode in 2014 fight for 6/8 months , he wasn't avoided by anyone. He was given several opportunities to fight certain guys including Whyte in 2016 which he chose Dave Allen instead . Klitschko would have defeated Ortiz quite easily , elusive speed puncher like Haye were more threatening.

[SeGoodland]

Found the 40 year old

Nobody gets better physically after 30

Well, is subjective isn't it.

If I was chronically obese at 29 and then by 31 I was a professional boxer, kind of dispels that theory.

[JSN006]

I just wrote a whole post explaining why they're not ducking him and that's your response.

Thick as shit.

So if u wrote it, its gospel? The aj duck is questionable because he did in fact jump ship to fight deotay, but theres no indication hearn wanted aj anywhere near him anyways.

To say whyte didnt duck him though, or hasnt been for a long time, means you must be the one who is thicker than expired milkshake. Wbc even wanted to make an eliminator as an upside

[JSN006]

Well, is subjective isn't it.

If I was chronically obese at 29 and then by 31 I was a professional boxer, kind of dispels that theory.

Exactly, ortiz started late so he doesnt have many miles, and nothing substitutes hunger and hard work

[JSN006]

Ortiz first step up fight was 2015. He was suspended after the Kayode in 2014 fight for 6/8 months , he wasn't avoided by anyone. He was given several opportunities to fight certain guys including Whyte in 2016 which he chose Dave Allen instead . Klitschko would have defeated Ortiz quite easily , elusive speed puncher like Haye were more threatening.

Offered whyte and chose allen? Lol. You may be right about the rest, but there were rumors wlad was offered the fight before and after the kayode susp and didnt want it. I think wlad may win too, but he would have put up a better fight than 'ouch my toesy' haye. Ortiz back then was faster and sharper, a monster

[Toffee]

So if u wrote it, its gospel? The aj duck is questionable because he did in fact jump ship to fight deotay, but theres no indication hearn wanted aj anywhere near him anyways.

To say whyte didnt duck him though, or hasnt been for a long time, means you must be the one who is thicker than expired milkshake. Wbc even wanted to make an eliminator as an upside

No it doesn't make it gospel. If I offer an opinion feel free to offer your contrary opinion. You just responded "AJ and Whyte".

And I didn't say Whyte didn't duck Ortiz or hasn't been for a long time. I said he isn't ducking him. He's looking for bigger fights against one of the top 3, particularly the number 1. That's absolutely fair to me.

It looks like AJ is after one of the three fighters ranked immediately below him. Again, I'd say that's fair.

For the rest, well, Ortiz represents a chance for them to make their name and announce themselves as serious contenders. That's probably not what Ortiz would want to hear though. He wouldn't be my choice either as there are less risky ways to jump up the rankings.

Looks like Joe Joyce might be trying to take the quick route through Ortiz. Fair play to him if that's the case.

[Toffee]

Exactly, ortiz started late so he doesnt have many miles, and nothing substitutes hunger and hard work

He had about 350 amateur fights before that didn't he? And he's been pretty active in his 30s.

[LacedUp]

he's good. not this unbeatable beast that wilder fans want us to believe, but he's also not crap.

[JSN006]

He had about 350 amateur fights before that didn't he? And he's been pretty active in his 30s.

True about the ama fights but you know, headgear and shorter rounds, less emphasis on power punchin. But yeah still lots of scraps. And he hasnt been in any tough fights as a pro or taken any hard longlasting damage due to his good defense i mean. I dunno, he just seems to be unaffected by age so far. My fear as a fan is overnight body collapse and non-cooperation