Comments Thread For: Dillian Whyte: In a Rematch, I Would Knock Anthony Joshua Out

[Noelanthony]

See, yet again, there's something different in our make-up, I guess? When someone slaps you in the face in September, we don't forget about that by the following January, OVER HERE! Ortiz and Fury gave Wilder life, just like Wladimir Klitschko gave Joshua life! So Wilder and Fury owe it to each other to fight again. I think the rematch will be well before July, but we'll see! In the meantime, we'll see what Joshua does with his stablemates until the real warriors fight! Speaking of rematches:

December 14, 2018:

Joshua had his heart set on a blockbuster clash for all the marbles against Deontay Wilder in the spring next year but now finds himself in no man's land with the WBC champion keen to restart negotiations with Tyson Fury following their controversial split-decision draw in Los Angeles earlier this month.

Joshua's promoter Eddie Hearn is narrowing down the list of options as they look for a credible name to put in front of the unified champion at Wembley on April 13 and claimed that Klitschko is keen to throw his name into the hat.

Hearn told iFL TV: 'He wants to come back. I think he text AJ and said: "I wanna come back, I feel like I beat everybody in the division right now."'

Any attempts to lure Klitschko out of retirement over the past year had fallen on deaf ears but the Ukrainian now appears to be seriously considering it with a shot at redemption on the cards.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...ng-return.html

Yes there is something vastly different in our make up, For starters I don’t wear make up. What you see is what you get. A set of veneers doesn’t disguise the fact that I couldn’t be bothered to brush my teeth. You Americans are all about disguising the truth. I grew up embracing the American culture. I don’t think any child from the U.K would tell you they didn’t want to go to America. From Fake WWE wrestling to fake boobs, fake arse, fake teeth. Segregated neighbourhoods, corrupt cops. Fake president.

I’m giving you one last chance to stop this naive faith you have in Baby oil Wilder. Swear loyalty to the British sovereignty and I may spare you. You can have a future here at Joshualite enterprises.

I can not believe for the life of me that you are endorsing this duck. Wilder was ill treated by Joshua you claim. Tell me what will be more vindicating for Wilder? Knocking out Joshua in April and taking everything that he has and becoming undisputed , probably adding a further 5 million pound on your salary every time you fight or fighting Fury and still earning less than the person that insulted you? Not only that but being in danger of losing and being an outcast. Why are you Americans so sensitive. It shouldn’t be personal . Go out and take what you have been fighting your entire life to achieve. No his fans are content freezing Joshua out. Cmon look at the bigger picture. It’s mind boggling you don’t see it.

Let’s fight Tyson Fury doe...... unbelievable

[Noelanthony]

How good is Luis Ortiz?

March 7, 2016:

Ortiz is a very intelligent and skillful boxer, and he dances around the ring much like a typical Cuban can be expected to, but instead of using his feet to circle his opponent and dance out of danger, he uses them to corner his foes and violently dismantle them. Which leads me to what I view as his biggest strength, his agile footwork.

Some might argue that his power, or his nasty streak, is his biggest strength, and I certainly wouldn't scoff at the idea, but I feel that his mobility is his greatest asset. He moves with intelligence and with decent speed for a heavyweight. Whilst there are others in the division that may be able to match the speed of his feet, I am not sure that anyone can use their feet in such an educated manner. He cuts the ring off really nicely, as demonstrated when cornering, well, all of his opponents, and he is excellent at using his feet to step out of danger when his opponent fires back. It is his feet, most of all, that allow him to stay out of harm's way when his opponent dares to try and give it back.

Ortiz couples his footwork with a varied jab. This was most evident in his fight against Jennings. He switched up between a pawing, blinding jab that created space for his signature straight-left, to popping out a harder, faster jab that backed Jennings up on its own. This varied and well-placed jab made it very hard for Jennings to find any comfort and set any rhythm.

After the jab comes the power of Ortiz's punches -- he is a brutal puncher and he possesses a real mean streak. Some fighters seem to take real pleasure in dismantling an opponent, and Ortiz appears to be one of those guys. This is particularly evident by the no-nonsense approach he takes from the first bell in all of his fights. He wants to hurt his opponent, and he doesn't wait around to start doing it. Much of his power seems, to me, to come from the relaxed demeanour he carries when he is offloading. He never looks stiff and robotic when he puts power into his shots, and that results in quick, very heavy punches. Even so, whilst he has been dispatching his opponents with relative ease, I don't think he has the kind of one-punch knockout power that Deontay Wilder possesses. Instead, he seems to wear his opponent down with his unforgiving accuracy and quick counter-punching.

Ortiz's counter-punching is extremely well-timed and accurate. He does a great job of drawing his opponents' shots out to open them up for his counters. This is where his intelligence becomes most obvious. He baits his opponents into leading the dance, and quickly punishes them for doing so. This was evident in his four-round demolition of Monte Barrett. With his right-hand low and his jab constantly peppering Barrett, Barrett had to try and lunge in from distance, but Ortiz was always waiting for him with a much harder and much more accurate straight left.

Against opponents like Barrett, Ortiz's hand speed seems rapid. Even against Jennings, Ortiz seemed to have plenty of zip in his punches, but the heavyweight division can easily make a contender look rapid. I think it's fair to say Ortiz has decent, maybe even good hand speed, but it's also important to remember that this is all relative, and the real test will be in how his hands compare against some of the faster, more athletic fighters in the division.

Ortiz has strength in his mobility, power and boxing intelligence, and he has accentuated these through his counter-punching style. This was certainly on show when he finished the fight on Saturday against an admittedly overmatched Thompson. Ortiz likes beating guys up, and that's good, because he seems to be pretty good at it.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/3/7/11174146/how-good-is-luis-ortiz

It's a shame we didn't get to see Ortiz vs. Joshua, nor Ortiz vs. Whyte back when they were all stable mates!

I didn’t see that when I watched him live vs White Rhino and Malik Scott and His last fight vs Kauffman who is limited at best. He did nothing as an amateur and nothing as a pro. You can talk him up as much as you want but he hasn’t done S#hit

[Jax teller]

I didn’t see that when I watched him live vs White Rhino and Malik Scott and His last fight vs Kauffman who is limited at best. He did nothing as an amateur and nothing as a pro. You can talk him up as much as you want but he hasn’t done S#hit

Pretty spot on.

The talk of his plodding being the best most effective plod you'll see at cutting off the ring is funny because when you bring up Malik Scott and Allen these fanboys are like "yeah but it's not his style he's just a counter puncher doe". He has stamina issues and is over the hill, if he was a true killer he'd have finished Wilder when he had the chance but he didn't so he aint.

I don't rate should've, would've, could've fighters.

[Noelanthony]

Pretty spot on.

The talk of his plodding being the best most effective plod you'll see at cutting off the ring is funny because when you bring up Malik Scott and Allen these fanboys are like "yeah but it's not his style he's just a counter puncher doe". He has stamina issues and is over the hill, if he was a true killer he'd have finished Wilder when he had the chance but he didn't so he aint.

I don't rate should've, would've, could've fighters.

Lololololol true true

[Bronx2245]

Yes there is something vastly different in our make up, For starters I don’t wear make up. What you see is what you get. A set of veneers doesn’t disguise the fact that I couldn’t be bothered to brush my teeth. You Americans are all about disguising the truth. I grew up embracing the American culture. I don’t think any child from the U.K would tell you they didn’t want to go to America. From Fake WWE wrestling to fake boobs, fake arse, fake teeth. Segregated neighbourhoods, corrupt cops. Fake president.

I’m giving you one last chance to stop this naive faith you have in Baby oil Wilder. Swear loyalty to the British sovereignty and I may spare you. You can have a future here at Joshualite enterprises.

I can not believe for the life of me that you are endorsing this duck. Wilder was ill treated by Joshua you claim. Tell me what will be more vindicating for Wilder? Knocking out Joshua in April and taking everything that he has and becoming undisputed , probably adding a further 5 million pound on your salary every time you fight or fighting Fury and still earning less than the person that insulted you? Not only that but being in danger of losing and being an outcast. Why are you Americans so sensitive. It shouldn’t be personal . Go out and take what you have been fighting your entire life to achieve. No his fans are content freezing Joshua out. Cmon look at the bigger picture. It’s mind boggling you don’t see it.

Let’s fight Tyson Fury doe...... unbelievable

I don't have naïve faith in Wilder! In fact, I think talent wise, he's the weakest in comparison to Joshua and Fury! However, he did NOT duck Joshua, and it was the other way around! Barry Hearn knows it. Frank Warren knows it. Lennox Lewis knows it. Tyson Fury knows it. Dillian Whyte knows it, and I'm sure you know it! That's where the sensitivity comes in! We are sensitive to being called a DUCK etc., especially when it's a lie! So yeah, a lot of us now, are very pleased watching Joshua being #3, wishing he was in the big fight, instead of facing TBA, because TBA will not be anything like Fury! All he had to do was be fair and Wilder was coming to the UK! However, they basically decided to ask Wilder to suck AJ's d**k for the fight, which is what that offer did, and I'm still mad that Wilder was even considering it!

Shouldering no blame, Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua detail failed Deontay Wilder negotiations

NEW YORK — As the new kid on the block in American boxing promotion, Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport is well aware he has made a few enemies throughout his recent British invasion.

Hearn, the promoter of unified heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua (21-0, 20 KOs), is also aware most U.S. fans look at him as a villain and heap the majority of the blame his way for a fall superfight against WBC champion Deontay Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) not coming into fruition.

"Everybody does," Hearn told CBS Sports. "It's no problem..."


Hearn, who calls Joshua-Wilder "probably the biggest fight in world boxing," claims his most recent offer to Wilder about pushing the fight off to April 13 in London still stands, including Wilder's guaranteed purse and all the main points. Joshua agrees that Wilder is the only name in his plans for April.

"On my end we sealed the deal, so honestly all it needs now is one more signature," Joshua said.

Ultimately, that's where Wilder and many U.S. boxing fans have a major problem. From their perspective, Hearn and Joshua never wanted the Wilder fight in 2018 but were simply not forthcoming in their overall plan.

"I would've respected him as a champion and as a person [if Joshua said,] 'Look, we are just not interested right now. We don't want to fight,'" Wilder said. "That's all that we were looking for and we wouldn't have done the things that we were doing. We were serious about the fight the whole way through and that's the most frustrating part about it.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/shouldering-no-blame-eddie-hearn-and-anthony-joshua-detail-failed-deontay-wilder-negotiations/

[Noelanthony]

I don't have naïve faith in Wilder! In fact, I think talent wise, he's the weakest in comparison to Joshua and Fury! However, he did NOT duck Joshua, and it was the other way around! Barry Hearn knows it. Frank Warren knows it. Lennox Lewis knows it. Tyson Fury knows it. Dillian Whyte knows it, and I'm sure you know it! That's where the sensitivity comes in! We are sensitive to being called a DUCK etc., especially when it's a lie! So yeah, a lot of us now, are very pleased watching Joshua being #3, wishing he was in the big fight, instead of facing TBA, because TBA will not be anything like Fury! All he had to do was be fair and Wilder was coming to the UK! However, they basically decided to ask Wilder to suck AJ's d**k for the fight, which is what that offer did, and I'm still mad that Wilder was even considering it!

Shouldering no blame, Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua detail failed Deontay Wilder negotiations

NEW YORK — As the new kid on the block in American boxing promotion, Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport is well aware he has made a few enemies throughout his recent British invasion.

Hearn, the promoter of unified heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua (21-0, 20 KOs), is also aware most U.S. fans look at him as a villain and heap the majority of the blame his way for a fall superfight against WBC champion Deontay Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) not coming into fruition.

"Everybody does," Hearn told CBS Sports. "It's no problem..."


Hearn, who calls Joshua-Wilder "probably the biggest fight in world boxing," claims his most recent offer to Wilder about pushing the fight off to April 13 in London still stands, including Wilder's guaranteed purse and all the main points. Joshua agrees that Wilder is the only name in his plans for April.

"On my end we sealed the deal, so honestly all it needs now is one more signature," Joshua said.

Ultimately, that's where Wilder and many U.S. boxing fans have a major problem. From their perspective, Hearn and Joshua never wanted the Wilder fight in 2018 but were simply not forthcoming in their overall plan.

"I would've respected him as a champion and as a person [if Joshua said,] 'Look, we are just not interested right now. We don't want to fight,'" Wilder said. "That's all that we were looking for and we wouldn't have done the things that we were doing. We were serious about the fight the whole way through and that's the most frustrating part about it.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/new...-negotiations/

I never said Wilder ducked then regardless of it the 50 million was true or it couldn’t happen because of BT sport. When I heard Joshua from his own mouth say “ I want the fight here so my British fans don’t have to travel” I conceded the L there. Would I do the same knowing I can get the fight on my terms and to get him to fight in my own back yard? Probably . Is it a duck? Yeah I suppose but I’m concerning myself with here and now . And as it stands to me Wilder is ducking facing AJ. He stands to get the keys to the city if he does but he wants to be lineal champion I suppose

[Bronx2245]

I never said Wilder ducked then regardless of it the 50 million was true or it couldn’t happen because of BT sport. When I heard Joshua from his own mouth say “ I want the fight here so my British fans don’t have to travel” I conceded the L there. Would I do the same knowing I can get the fight on my terms and to get him to fight in my own back yard? Probably . Is it a duck? Yeah I suppose but I’m concerning myself with here and now . And as it stands to me Wilder is ducking facing AJ. He stands to get the keys to the city if he does but he wants to be lineal champion I suppose

The here and now are products of yesterday! History is the answer to how we got here in the first place!

[Laligalaliga]

Heavyweight Luis Ortiz signs with British promoter Matchroom Boxing

October 8, 2016:

Heavyweight Luis "King Kong" Ortiz, who holds an interim world title and is perhaps the most feared big man in boxing, signed a promotional agreement with British promoter Matchroom Boxing, the company announced Saturday...

"Luis Ortiz is one of the most exciting heavyweights in the world and I am delighted to be working with him," Hearn said. "We plan to keep him very busy and let the fans enjoy his devastating power. Luis is an avoided fighter but we plan on giving him the profile that will make that impossible."

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...tchroom-boxing

These ignorant guys still refuse to learn. Am sure who ever gave you that piece you posted did not tell you Ortiz signed with hearn on a two fight plan which didn't even last up to 6 months.

On the verge of being a mandatory to fight AJ, he swiped ship and go with Al haymon.

Whose fault? He got KTFO unfortunately, he has to go back to the queue.
Am sorry man, it is what it is.

[Laligalaliga]

Oh dear, you've clearly fallen for some sensationalism and a promoters marketing here.

Hez been played.
Hez still a learner in the game.

[Laligalaliga]

How good is Luis Ortiz?

March 7, 2016:

Ortiz is a very intelligent and skillful boxer, and he dances around the ring much like a typical Cuban can be expected to, but instead of using his feet to circle his opponent and dance out of danger, he uses them to corner his foes and violently dismantle them. Which leads me to what I view as his biggest strength, his agile footwork.

Some might argue that his power, or his nasty streak, is his biggest strength, and I certainly wouldn't scoff at the idea, but I feel that his mobility is his greatest asset. He moves with intelligence and with decent speed for a heavyweight. Whilst there are others in the division that may be able to match the speed of his feet, I am not sure that anyone can use their feet in such an educated manner. He cuts the ring off really nicely, as demonstrated when cornering, well, all of his opponents, and he is excellent at using his feet to step out of danger when his opponent fires back. It is his feet, most of all, that allow him to stay out of harm's way when his opponent dares to try and give it back.

Ortiz couples his footwork with a varied jab. This was most evident in his fight against Jennings. He switched up between a pawing, blinding jab that created space for his signature straight-left, to popping out a harder, faster jab that backed Jennings up on its own. This varied and well-placed jab made it very hard for Jennings to find any comfort and set any rhythm.

After the jab comes the power of Ortiz's punches -- he is a brutal puncher and he possesses a real mean streak. Some fighters seem to take real pleasure in dismantling an opponent, and Ortiz appears to be one of those guys. This is particularly evident by the no-nonsense approach he takes from the first bell in all of his fights. He wants to hurt his opponent, and he doesn't wait around to start doing it. Much of his power seems, to me, to come from the relaxed demeanour he carries when he is offloading. He never looks stiff and robotic when he puts power into his shots, and that results in quick, very heavy punches. Even so, whilst he has been dispatching his opponents with relative ease, I don't think he has the kind of one-punch knockout power that Deontay Wilder possesses. Instead, he seems to wear his opponent down with his unforgiving accuracy and quick counter-punching.

Ortiz's counter-punching is extremely well-timed and accurate. He does a great job of drawing his opponents' shots out to open them up for his counters. This is where his intelligence becomes most obvious. He baits his opponents into leading the dance, and quickly punishes them for doing so. This was evident in his four-round demolition of Monte Barrett. With his right-hand low and his jab constantly peppering Barrett, Barrett had to try and lunge in from distance, but Ortiz was always waiting for him with a much harder and much more accurate straight left.

Against opponents like Barrett, Ortiz's hand speed seems rapid. Even against Jennings, Ortiz seemed to have plenty of zip in his punches, but the heavyweight division can easily make a contender look rapid. I think it's fair to say Ortiz has decent, maybe even good hand speed, but it's also important to remember that this is all relative, and the real test will be in how his hands compare against some of the faster, more athletic fighters in the division.

Ortiz has strength in his mobility, power and boxing intelligence, and he has accentuated these through his counter-punching style. This was certainly on show when he finished the fight on Saturday against an admittedly overmatched Thompson. Ortiz likes beating guys up, and that's good, because he seems to be pretty good at it.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/3/7/11174146/how-good-is-luis-ortiz

It's a shame we didn't get to see Ortiz vs. Joshua, nor Ortiz vs. Whyte back when they were all stable mates!

It's funny how you intend to use a two match plan to fight the cash cow of the division.
Ortiz should make up his mind if he wants to be with matxhroom sport instead of hovering around like a hawk.

You can't be here and there at the same time. Hez only playing himself and time is no longer on his side.