Comments Thread For: Mikey Garcia on Doing VADA Testing For Errol Spence Fight

[NearHypnos]

". . . knowingly or unknowingly using . . "

Wtf?!

Many unknowingly use. Be it by trusting the wrong people and taking what they give or accidental usage via tainted supplements, which is an actual big issue.

Fighters dont get accused of being the smartest people around and most hire people who are. These personal trainer/nutritionist/strength and conditioning coach types have a lot to gain by making the fighter perform and be in incredible shape.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Wht we know is that Mikey is offically signed up with vada, and spence has yet to offically sign on.

". . . knowingly or unknowingly using . . "

Wtf?!

Im sure alot of athletes get busted for unknowningly shit, they buy an over the counter supplement they think since its available in the store its not illegal but just cause its not illegal does not mean its not on the banned substance list, also alot of athletes know nothing about cross contamination which means you can unknowingly ingest a banned substance naively by taking a legit supplement but that legit supplement is/was made on a machine that also makes banned substance so now your legit supplement has traces of a banned substance and of course theirs also contamination from foods etc etc.

Its no excuse but educating the athlete on all the possible ways you can unknowningly be ingesting a banned substance is vital to a clean sport.

[Kcvtr81]

Should be year round testing for every fighter and you don't test you get your card revoked and can never fight pro again or for any purse by a sanctioning body

[KTFOKING]

The closer this fight gets, the more I think it'll sell north of 400k in PPV buys. If Wilder v Fury could pull 325k (on Showtime), then I'm thinking the Latino push will see this one do better.

I'm very interested to see how hard FOX pushes this fight. They did a lot of programming for Charlo/Charlo. I'd expect this fight to get a more significant push.

People seem to think PPV is bad for boxing, but if FOX makes some serious $$$ on this fight, the sport will see more resources come its way. "Budget relief" can be a very powerful catalyst for future investment. I think any comparison with premium cable fails to account for the differences in scale for a network broadcaster like FOX.

Here is the thing, Wilder does ratings that far exceed what either Spence/Garcia do. In fact, Wilder's fight with Ortiz doubled the ratings those two did on SHO in 2018.

This will be FOX's first boxing PPV so I'm definitely interested in seeing how they promote it and all the shoulder programming they use.

[Butch.McRae]

Here is the thing, Wilder does ratings that far exceed what either Spence/Garcia do. In fact, Wilder's fight with Ortiz doubled the ratings those two did on SHO in 2018.

This will be FOX's first boxing PPV so I'm definitely interested in seeing how they promote it and all the shoulder programming they use.

Considering that the UFC has consistently refused to give up any share of PPV revenue, I think there's a potential windfall coming for boxing in general if PBC can consistently pull 300k in buys for the PPV events on FOX.

I don't think people fully understand how this deal could change the lives of top level boxers. We're talking multiples of purses if this thing works. I want to see it happen.

[JWHardin]

Wht we know is that Mikey is offically signed up with vada, and spence has yet to offically sign on.



Im sure alot of athletes get busted for unknowningly shit, they buy an over the counter supplement they think since its available in the store its not illegal but just cause its not illegal does not mean its not on the banned substance list, also alot of athletes know nothing about cross contamination which means you can unknowingly ingest a banned substance naively by taking a legit supplement but that legit supplement is/was made on a machine that also makes banned substance so now your legit supplement has traces of a banned substance and of course theirs also contamination from foods etc etc.

Its no excuse but educating the athlete on all the possible ways you can unknowningly be ingesting a banned substance is vital to a clean sport.

Read the damn article before spouting off with your BS.

[dannnnn]

Both guys are doing VADA which is better than what most other boxers are currently doing.

Whether you like it or not they will deserve the benefit of the doubt as long as their tests come up clean.

I don't disagree with that, doing VADA is most definitely better than nothing and boxers should at the very least be commended for doing it when a lot aren't. I'm always happy to see fighters sign up for VADA testing actually, I just don't think it's the be-all and end-all like some do.

You name two fighters that you claim "beat testing" but then you go on to say you're not attacking or insulting any fighters named lol So you're one of those, "If you can't beat them, join them" guys?

No, not exactly. I'm not condoning cheating - which is precisely what this is - in fact I used to be very anti-doping (and share the same kind of frustrations with it as Paulie Malignaggi) and was one of the first if not the first to call out Anthony Joshua on these forums a few years ago for his blatant steroid use. The thread reached 34 pages and is here if you would like to have a look: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...oshua+cheating

But I've mellowed on this topic over time after doing a fair amount of research and coming to realise just how prevalent - and unfortunately, unstoppable - PED usage in all sports is, even at lower levels but especially at the higher ones. I feel sorry for any genuinely clean athlete in this day and age because they are really up against it, particularly in a sport like boxing where there is a very real risk to one's personal safety.

And the thing is- I am a fan of Spence and Brook, despite the fact that they were both clearly doping for their fight against each other (and anyone who disputes that simply doesn't know what they are looking at) and both still passed VADA's testing procedure.

It comes to the point where if you don't allow yourself to be a fan of any boxer in the modern age who isn't 100% clean, then you might as well not be a fan of the sport at all. Shane Mosley, Evander Holyfield, James Toney, Roy Jones Jr., Fernando Vargas- these are some of my favourite fighters of the past 25 years, yet all were undisputedly taking banned PEDs at some point in their respective careers. And that's just a very short list of some of the most prominent cases, I could go on and on.

Plus, you have some fanatical fanboys on here who are overly sensitive about any perceived criticism of their favourite fighter(s), and I cannot be bothered dealing with people who have more teeth than points on their IQ, so I wanted to make it clear that I'm not here to attack any specific boxers, I'm just making the point that passing VADA (or USADA, or any other independant drug testing agency) testing does not automatically prove you are a clean athlete and if you think it does you need to do more research on this topic. Though as I said, I do agree that the more stringent testing the better, regardless.

[sammybee]

Interesting. I’m thinking Spence vs Garcia is the same size as Pac vs Vargas?

Spence is physically bigger than Vargas.

He is also a big puncher.
The outcome of this fight will depend on how Mikey is able to handle those body shots and how he can overcome those physical advantages Spence has.

[factsarenice]

The only shot Mikey has is if Spence has trouble making weight.

[_Rexy_]

". . . knowingly or unknowingly using . . "

Wtf?!

it happens a lot. Hell, the banned list is a mile long. I remember having a lengthy discussion on if a supplement was okay or not and i just ultimately decided it wasn't worth the risk if I couldn't get a definitive answer. Stiverne failed a test a few years back because he had a protein bar that had a banned ingredient in it.