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  • #31
    Originally posted by Szef View Post
    No they don't.

    Golovkin consistently fought top 10 guys in his divison. Wilder didn't. It's not even up to debate who's resume is better.

    When Golovkin fights massive underdogs he dominates them and KOs leaving no doubt who's the better man. Wilder gets outboxed by them until he lands the hail Mary.

    When Golovkin stepped up Jacobs and Canelo were in their primes. When Wilder stepped up Ortiz was pushing 40 and Fury was coming off 3 years of drinking, snorting and yoyo dieting.
    ggg stepped up competition three times (2x Canelo, Jacobs) and doesn't have one decisive clear win to speak of. Ortiz can be 80 years old he was considered a step up in competition and Wilder laid him out. that same Ortiz is now being ducked heavy by AJ and Shyte.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
      I will literally not miss him in the slightest.

      The only 3 fights of his I've ever looked forward to are the two Canelo fights and Jacobs.
      Funny thing is I was following him since a little before his career re-boot in the US and watched as he developed from a largely unheard of dude known only to the hardcore into a a guy known by everyone. And the early days - absolutely guys like Macklin were given a shot after getting robbed against Sturm and giving a grueling evening to Maravilla. GGG wasn't even seen as number 1 in the division until probably 2014 and as a fan watching him overcome these dudes was exciting.... it was only when it became apparent that he was a level above most everyone else that it started to become less interesting, but until 2014/15 Golovkin was still proving himself.

      I know the narrative now has become that he was being spoonfed opponents from the get go, but that story only really came later... nobody knows how good a fighter is until they beat the guys they gotta beat. And nobody beat these guys with consistency and regularity as GGG. People talk like it was nothing special, but usually guys have off nights or bad style match-ups or whatever even against the top 5 - 20 guys Golovkin was fighting. There's a reason what he did is unusual - even in a division thought of as 'weak'.

      Anyways.. regardless. I enjoyed watching him fight and I will miss him when he's gone, but there's plenty of other guys I can say the same about, and besides, for me the exciting bit about a fighter is the ascent... working out just how good guys could be and watching them fulfil their potential or fall short. Once dudes are established it's never quite as much fun as watching a promising prospect transform into a bona fide star.

      So regardless that Golovkin's career, to me, was something of a disappointment, ultimately there's always more guys coming through and always more good fights on the horizon.
      Last edited by Citizen Koba; 12-25-2018, 03:44 PM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Szef View Post
        No they don't.

        Golovkin consistently fought top 10 guys in his divison. Wilder didn't. It's not even up to debate who's resume is better.

        When Golovkin fights massive underdogs he dominates them and KOs leaving no doubt who's the better man. Wilder gets outboxed by them until he lands the hail Mary.

        When Golovkin stepped up Jacobs and Canelo were in their primes. When Wilder stepped up Ortiz was pushing 40 and Fury was coming off 3 years of drinking, snorting and yoyo dieting.
        I completely agree with this. Only a serious GGG hater would be foolish enough to compare Wilder's record to GGG's record. You would have to ignore all boxing rankings. As he says GGG consistently defended his title against top 10 world ranked opponents. Wilder often defended his title against guys ranked only by boxrec and ranked 40th or even lower. In his years as champion Wilder only fought two legit top 10 guys in Ortiz and Fury. Shortly before he won the title Wilder was fighting guys ranked as low as 356th in the world. Trying to say Wilder's record is as good as GGG's record is ******.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Koba-Grozny View Post
          Funny thing is I was following him since a little before his career re-boot in the US and watched as he developed from a largely unheard of dude known only to the hardcore into a a guy known by everyone. And the early days - absolutely guys like Macklin were given a shot after getting robbed against Sturm and giving a grueling evening to Maravilla. GGG wasn't even seen as number 1 in the division until probably 2014 and as a fan watching him overcome these dudes was exciting.... it was only when it became apparent that he was a level above most everyone else.
          how was he a level above everyone else when the only top two he defended against were tight win over jacobs and loss to a LMW.


          GGG's success at top defences is 33%.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by boliodogs View Post
            I completely agree with this. Only a serious GGG hater would be foolish enough to compare Wilder's record to GGG's record. You would have to ignore all boxing rankings. As he says GGG consistently defended his title against top 10 world ranked opponents. Wilder often defended his title against guys ranked only by boxrec and ranked 40th or even lower. In his years as champion Wilder only fought two legit top 10 guys in Ortiz and Fury. Shortly before he won the title Wilder was fighting guys ranked as low as 356th in the world. Trying to say Wilder's record is as good as GGG's record is ******.
            agreed, GGG was at least a bona fide champ. Widler has been a joke.

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            • #36
              I probably won't

              and i'm not a golovkin hater but he's only really been in 2 big fights and both of those were controversial and left a sour taste in the mouth

              All the years of fighting Martin Murrays and Matthew Macklins did nothing for me

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              • #37
                I will miss him for sure. Great fighter with excellent fundamentals who takes the sport seriously. Lots of younger fighters could learn from him. What I won't miss is the majority of his fan base.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by TheBoxingBanger View Post
                  He beat Canelo in the 1st fight, and i scored the 2nd a draw.

                  So he was robbed twice

                  Yes GGG will be missed
                  how come hes only robbed against an opponent. the only one, who is very good.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by KingHippo View Post
                    I think he's an incredibly boring one dimensional boxer with a largely uneventful career. He'll be a mere afterthought a few years from now and forgotten by history.
                    What a load of BS. Knockouts aren't boring. One dimensional boxers don't accomplish what he accomplished. He will be remembered as a great champion and will be a first ballot hall of fame boxer. History will remember him kindly. Maybe you should become a hockey fan in Canada because you sure don't know about boxing and what a good fighter is.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by DreamFighter View Post
                      how was he a level above everyone else when the only top two he defended against were tight win over jacobs and loss to a LMW.


                      GGG's success at top defences is 33%.
                      I'm referring to the perception of him historically. At the time he was establishing himself I mean - sorry if I didn't explain well, but I'm alittle full of Xmas cheer ... at that time guys like Murray, Macklin, Lee (though that fight fell through) etc were seen as solid and absolutely given a chance, but he blew them out of the water. Regardless of whether it was true or false, the perception was that he was a level above the rest of the division after it was seen that Maravilla was shot in 2014 or so and that seems to be when the narrative developed that he was somehow cherrypicking opponents, when in fact until then he just wasn't seen as good (or significant) enough by most for such allegations to even make sense.

                      Anyways. Regardless... I kinda got distracted from what I was trying to say with that ish though it is kinda relevant. The point is I don't need a fighter to be the best in the division (or hell the best in town if it's a local fighter) to follow them and enjoy watching them progress or fail and follow the ups and downs of their career. It's like there's a ego thing on NSB where somehow dudes believe that their own status is boosted or declines with the fortunes of their favourite fighter, which is amongst the weirdest things I ever saw. Weirder still they tend to assume that everyone else thinks the same way... puzzling.
                      Last edited by Citizen Koba; 12-25-2018, 04:03 PM.

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