"I gave away rounds"

[KingHippo]

That's fine when it's your strategy; then I shouldn't hear it as an excuse after you lose.

Misunderstood what you were trying to say then. No place for excuses. But as a strategy, giving away rounds is smart boxing when done right.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Sergio Martinez? He did give rounds away until he got his second wind. I'm sensing a lot of stubborness on your part that is disabling you from understanding this.

In retrospect fighters find things they could have done better, spots they could have done a little more and not be complacent. Saying that you would fight in a more energy efficient style is one of the ways a boxer could improve in not giving away rounds, but it certainly is not a one size fits all solution. The point here is the fighter is learning something after the fight, hence it's not just about "Ibwould just do this..." like I mentioned in my previous post, your "solution" could easily become one of those rounds were you later realize you could've won of you did something different.

Sergio didn't "give rounds away" - taking rounds off because you're winded is not the same thing.

To me, "giving rounds away" is where one fighter is NOT tired or winded, they just choose not to do anything to actually try and win.

Pacquiao/Clottey - Clottey straight up just did NOTHING for 9 rounds. Not tired, not hurt.

Pacquiao/Algieri - Algieri was "in the cage" for 8 and a half rounds doing nothing. Not tired, not hurt.

Broner/Porter - unless you count excessive fouling by Broner for 11 rounds. Definitely not hurt, not tired.

Broner/Mikey - unless you count shaking your head for 9 rounds. Not hurt, not tired

Broner/Vargas - You heard Cunningham yelling at Broner. "You givin' away shіt you shouldn't be giving away". Not hurt, not tired.

Thurman/Garcia because Danny literally didn't try for like 5 rounds of a CHAMPIONSHIP fight yet was never hurt or tired.

Porter/Garcia because Danny only showed up like 45 seconds of each round in a CHAMPIONSHIP fight and barely showed up the second half. Not hurt, not tired.

Mayweather/Pacquiao - Manny wasn't tired OR hurt against Floyd yet only showed up in three, MAYBE four rounds.


Now do you all understand the difference?

[Zaryu]

Sergio didn't "give rounds away" - taking rounds off because you're winded is not the same thing.

To me, "giving rounds away" is where one fighter is NOT tired or winded, they just choose not to do anything to actually try and win.

Pacquiao/Clottey - Clottey straight up just did NOTHING for 9 rounds. Not tired, not hurt.

Pacquiao/Algieri - Algieri was "in the cage" for 8 and a half rounds doing nothing. Not tired, not hurt.

Broner/Porter - unless you count excessive fouling by Broner for 11 rounds. Definitely not hurt, not tired.

Broner/Mikey - unless you count shaking your head for 9 rounds. Not hurt, not tired

Broner/Vargas - You heard Cunningham yelling at Broner. "You givin' away shіt you shouldn't be giving away". Not hurt, not tired.

Thurman/Garcia because Danny literally didn't try for like 5 rounds of a CHAMPIONSHIP fight yet was never hurt or tired.

Porter/Garcia because Danny only showed up like 45 seconds of each round in a CHAMPIONSHIP fight and barely showed up the second half. Not hurt, not tired.

Mayweather/Pacquiao - Manny wasn't tired OR hurt against Floyd yet only showed up in three, MAYBE four rounds.


Now do you all understand the difference?

Why are you asking me if I understand the difference? Obviously you're the one asking for clarity (look at your opening post). Now you want to have an individualized definition of what giving a round means in order to senselessly argue on this forum.

Taking rounds off is a form of giving away rounds, don't get it twisted. That's why it can be challenging to explain all the ways the statement can be valid and not necessarily an excuse.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Taking rounds off is a form of giving away rounds, don't get it twisted.

No, it's not.

Because in the examples I provided, Fighter B simply did NOTHING, which isn't the same as a lower output due to fatigue (Sergio Martinez/JCC Jr, Mayweather/N'Dou, any Mayorga fight, etc.)

Done.

[DaNeutral.]

You gotta manage 12 rounds of Boxing. If you can control the tempo from the 1st your laughing but if your not in control of the tempo it can be a struggle, you gotta do what you gotta do. Sometimes you can but sometimes you gotta bite down on your gumshield and push through the best you can. It can be hard to take the foot off the gas to give yourself a rest and still try to win a round against an aggressive come forward kind of fighter.

Some fighters give up rounds letting an opponent get a false sense of success to tempt them in, some do it early to just get a feel of whats opposite them. It happens alot. But you gotta be careful it can easily go wrong for you.

[Ray*]

I interpreted this as a fighter who thought he has enough round in the bag. For example De la Hoya against Trinidad.

[Richard G]

It's an interesting topic but all that springs to mind is Rope a Dope LOL.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I interpreted this as a fighter who thought he has enough round in the bag. For example De la Hoya against Trinidad.

Maybe. Which is why I wish they would bring back open scoring. Let the fighters know that an Adelaide Byrd situation is impending

[MulaKO]

No, it's not.

Because in the examples I provided, Fighter B simply did NOTHING, which isn't the same as a lower output due to fatigue (Sergio Martinez/JCC Jr, Mayweather/N'Dou, any Mayorga fight, etc.)

Done.

I see what your stating with your examples
Imo a lot of times guys know they got no chance so turtle up , instead of ko they get away with a decision loss
Some guys already before the fight believe they have no chance , imo entering that fight just for the pay ( they know they can survive by doing nothing and injury free )

[MulaKO]

And I don’t agree with open scoring
So what if the boxer knows he getting Adelaided in the azz
Nothing going to change in the fight , her scorecard will be what it is
I find the open scoring takes away from the game
If Oscar believed he was winning there’s no changing his mind , so he took those Minutes off his gamble