Comments Thread For: Wilder Laughs: O2 Arena Was Booing The **** Out of Joshua!

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Very few. You talk like it's a regular occurrence. I'd bet everything that the average UK fight makes more than the the average US card at the gate.

Averages is a rabbit hole I'm not about to go down. The fact is big fights happen in the US, and they make more money than they would if they were in the UK with higher PPV sales and ticket prices. You have to cherry pick examples to make a counter argument, whereas what I'm stating is just a well-known fact.

Sellouts don't mean anything, and those who make the argument that they do clearly have no idea what they are talking about.

[PunchyPotorff]

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What was paid attendance a couple days ago for Whyte/Chisora? And what was paid attendance last month for Fury/Wilder?

I don't know. What I do know is that dollars (or pounds) go into your bank account, not people. So fewer people paying more money is better than more people paying less money.
A decent seat to Wilder vs Fury would have set ya back a thousand dollars, a thousand and a half to sit ringside. The UK can't handle those kinds of prices.
A UK PPV is $25, a US PPV is $75. Again, the UK can't generate what the US can.
It's not something to brag about. It's crazy what people pay in the US. But the reality is that this is where you need to come to maximize revenue.

I'm fully aware of price differences U.S. vs UK.... but I mean if, as one example, Joshua/Povetkin was +/- 90K in Wembley.... and Fury/Wilder was +/- 10K in Vegas.... common sense tells you the money is in England. And that Wilder is full of horse dookie trying to say Joshua isn't much of a draw. Bottom line... I agree with Andrij's comment.

[sportbuddha]

Or, stay with me here, he completely knocks out fury, he completely knocks out brazziere, and AJ is now relegated to paper champ status by fighting in house bums his daddy Hearn feeds him and never leaves England, ultimately losing his legacy in the process..

You can’t relegate a unified champion to an also ran. The history books are already written, he has unified all but one of the titles, that’s the legacy to date, sorry but you can’t take it away from him.

Wilder needs those other belts to secure his legacy and there’s only one reason he wouldn’t be chasing those belts. It’s not money, because he gets more money against AJ than any other bout.
It’s not pride, because the ultimate bragging rights go to the first HW to unify all those alphabet titles. It’s not experience or age, they are both prime right now.

No, it’s simple as this, a ****** management team being way too greedy. Look at his career to date, one of the worst managed careers in modern history, it’s taken him over 40 fights to even think about being the A-side, he’s been earning way less per fight than AJ and has just one of the belts (all the others were for the taking it they had put him in for them). I don’t have a great deal of love for his boxing ability, but the guy has a great back story, is exciting and athletic and talks well to build fights. I can’t help thinking their final screw up is going for a second bout with Fury instead of a far better option in AJ. Thats why I think AJ will have the last laugh, he’s managed better, simple as that.

[sportbuddha]

Nah...he KOs Breazeale. Dude has no defense and only good power. Worst case he loses to Fury and Joshua just decides not to fight him without a belt. The only way his stick falls is if he gets KO'd by someone other than Joshua.

Well that’s what I was thinking, he loses the second bout to Fury. Has a rebuild fight with Brezeale (because he’s been long promised the pay day) and although he wins he’s done nothing to increase his standing. I guess overall my point is that fighting Fury in the rematch is not the best plan, I believe Fury has more ability to improve between the bouts and Wilder risks giving up the belt and in so doing can get frozen out by Hearn for a couple of years. I want to see Wilder vs AJ, IMO Fury is not THE contest we all want to see.

[SHAW ARUM DUVA]

Well that’s what I was thinking, he loses the second bout to Fury. Has a rebuild fight with Brezeale

If Wilder loses the second bout with Fury, there would likely be a third bout. If Fury won the third bout, he'd likely owe a mandatory to Breazeale. Going to be very difficult to wrestle away the WBC belt from Haymon.

[sportbuddha]

If Wilder loses the second bout with Fury, there would likely be a third bout. If Fury won the third bout, he'd likely owe a mandatory to Breazeale. Going to be very difficult to wrestle away the WBC belt from Haymon.

True. But if Fury wins the second one he’s effectively won twice and I doubt he’ll want to risk facing those bombs again. I genuinely think he believes he’d school Joshua and would want to unify.

[BeLikeWater]

You can’t relegate a unified champion to an also ran. The history books are already written, he has unified all but one of the titles, that’s the legacy to date, sorry but you can’t take it away from him.

Wilder needs those other belts to secure his legacy and there’s only one reason he wouldn’t be chasing those belts. It’s not money, because he gets more money against AJ than any other bout.
It’s not pride, because the ultimate bragging rights go to the first HW to unify all those alphabet titles. It’s not experience or age, they are both prime right now.

No, it’s simple as this, a ****** management team being way too greedy. Look at his career to date, one of the worst managed careers in modern history, it’s taken him over 40 fights to even think about being the A-side, he’s been earning way less per fight than AJ and has just one of the belts (all the others were for the taking it they had put him in for them). I don’t have a great deal of love for his boxing ability, but the guy has a great back story, is exciting and athletic and talks well to build fights. I can’t help thinking their final screw up is going for a second bout with Fury instead of a far better option in AJ. Thats why I think AJ will have the last laugh, he’s managed better, simple as that.

Decent points I'll give you that but you're forgetting one thing. Wilder had no amatuer background. It's 40 fights TOTAL, which makes his acheuvement impressive so far.
Another thing I don't understand, your speaking as if his next fight is his last fight. If he fights wilder he makes that money and then fights joshie. Joshua isn't going anywhere he's busy fighting Hearns cab driver. Great management I'm sure it'll go in the history books. He basically bought the belts old wlad earned.

[_Rexy_]

True. But if Fury wins the second one he’s effectively won twice and I doubt he’ll want to risk facing those bombs again. I genuinely think he believes he’d school Joshua and would want to unify.

If Fury wins the second fight, there 100% will be Wilder/Fury III

No way does a champion not get a rematch if he loses the strap. It's in the contract.

[DaaamnSon]

I don't really understand the logic of this from Tyson Fury's trainer.

Lennox Lewis re-matched Evander Holyfield, after their first controversial fight. He did not step aside, and issue Evander Holyfield to fight Mike Tyson, David Tua, any other fighter who was raging at that time. What is it with Tyson Fury not having rematches at elite level? First Wladimir Kiltschko and now Deontay Wilder. But I do understand he fell ill at some point just before or after the announcement for the Wladimir Kiltscko rematch.

After the first Holyfield-Lewis fight the WBC, WBA and IBF ordered an immediate rematch. So unless one of them wanted to lose their respective belts they had to take it.

Fury has nothing to offer but the lineal title he got from Wladmir Klitschko that he can just sit on for the rest of his life if he chooses to. Also it's easier for him to become the new undisputed champion by beating the undisputed champion of the winner of AJ/Wilder. He'll probably retire for good if that happened and being the delusional twat that he is claim to be the greatest fighter ever.

[REDEEMER]

If Fury wins the second fight, there 100% will be Wilder/Fury III

No way does a champion not get a rematch if he loses the strap. It's in the contract.

You wont see a third fight because the WBC will sanction a Unification fight between Joshua and Fury. Wilder won't fight AJ, we all have figured that out by now so Wilder won't see his belt again.