Comments Thread For: Korobov: I'm Clean; Not Worried About Charlo's Missed VADA Test

[BeLikeWater]

Acceptable margin? You might want to rethink that. On the highest world level 1% can mean millions, injuries, belts, career.. acceptable margin would be zero.

Absolutely. That sounded like a comment a drug user would make. 10% boost in performance is PHENOMENAL. And to get a boost in training would allow you to sustain a substantial portion of your gains even after stopping the juice before a fight.

[Ake-Dawg]

10% is an acceptable margin? What the ****? No it isn't. That will make a big difference to the performance of an elite athlete in a sporting contest.
If you told a doper in any sport that they would get an extra 10%, they would ****ing jump at it.

Read again. It was a question. I said "where is the point...". 10% was just a random number thrown out there.

[apollocreed]

Read again. It was a question. I said "where is the point...". 10% was just a random number thrown out there.

Well it was a dumb random number to throw out there. Any extra per cent is an advantage at elite level. 5% would be a gain that most dopers see as worth the risk.

[Ake-Dawg]

The point I was making wasnt about EPO or Lance Armstrong. It's about how complex and DELIBERATE cheating can be. So something as simple as "hey, I was out of town - sorry" is not harmless when it comes to PEDs which is demonstrated by one of the greatest dopers...possibly ever. As Lance literally used that exact same excuse to avoid testing when he'd pop dirty.

Think about it. I'm not saying either Charlo is guilty, but both Charlos and Errol are very suspect for me and they conveniently miss a drug test despite the fact they were contractually bound to meet those (random) appointments.

All I am saying is that folks are jumping to conclusions that there isn't enough evidence to support. And this is why I say that Hauser is reckless. He purports himself as an expert but provides little conclusive evidence that supports his su****ions. For example, Spence has a little gyno, like a lot of men, and now he is under su****ion for PED use based on the date for which his VADA testing starts?

What exactly is the basis for the "very suspect" label?

[Ake-Dawg]

Because they skipped a random drug test they signed up for? Invalidated the entire vada process for this fight. Cancel the fight.

What evidence is there that they intentionally evaded the collectors? How have they invalidated the entire process? Especially given that samples were collected days later and previous samples had been collected. Both are in the WBC clean boxing program right? This wasn't the first attempt at collecting a sample for this fight right?

[BeLikeWater]

What evidence is there that they intentionally evaded the collectors? How have they invalidated the entire process? Especially given that samples were collected days later and previous samples had been collected. Both are in the WBC clean boxing program right? This wasn't the first attempt at collecting a sample for this fight right?

So your points are invalid. Here's why:
1) intentional or not, they broke the rule they signed up for in vada. Yes they signed a contract to be a part of vada. DQ.

2) the process was invalidated because the whole purpose of vada is to be RANDOM to avoid timing doses of juice.

3) talking a test days later means nothing. Why? Because juice can leave the system within a day, hours, or instantly if they got a blood transfusion (normal operating procedure for Armstrong for years)

4) wbc clean boxing uses vada...

5) the number of attempts is irrelevant, random is the key point of vada.

Don't protect cheats.

[Ake-Dawg]

Well it was a dumb random number to throw out there. Any extra per cent is an advantage at elite level. 5% would be a gain that most dopers see as worth the risk.

There is no such thing as a dumb random number. That's why it's called random. The whole point was to discuss how do you determine that a fighter is enhanced when his naturally occurring chemicals are not above the acceptable levels for a male.

[Ake-Dawg]

So your points are invalid. Here's why:
1) intentional or not, they broke the rule they signed up for in vada. Yes they signed a contract to be a part of vada. DQ.

2) the process was invalidated because the whole purpose of vada is to be RANDOM to avoid timing doses of juice.

3) talking a test days later means nothing. Why? Because juice can leave the system within a day, hours, or instantly if they got a blood transfusion (normal operating procedure for Armstrong for years)

4) wbc clean boxing uses vada...

5) the number of attempts is irrelevant, random is the key point of vada.

Don't protect cheats.

So you went from intentional or not to don't protect cheats. You're now saying that due to one missed test out of several other negative tests, Charlos are blood doping. WBC Clean Boxing uses VADA and have not found issue with Charlos up till this point, but now they are highly suspect?

[BeLikeWater]

So you went from intentional or not to don't protect cheats. You're now saying that due to one missed test out of several other negative tests, Charlos are blood doping. WBC Clean Boxing uses VADA and have not found issue with Charlos up till this point, but now they are highly suspect?

I said intentional or not first off.

Secondly they cheated the system. Whether they used drugs or not we'll never know because they... Cheated... The... System.

And these guys arent as ****** as they sound when they talk. They know they are on vada. Are they not professionals? I'm sure daddy Al made a nice donation to the wbc.

[Jubei]

Are you on the juice? Just dont do a Monroe and pick up the phone or open the door when VADA is in town, pretty simple. You just pay a measly $750 fine, get the shi. out of your system (most drugs nowadays disappear after 24-72 hours) and you submit to testing a couple days later and you are DANDY.