Comments Thread For: Korobov: I'm Clean; Not Worried About Charlo's Missed VADA Test

[AdonisCreed]

Dang Charlo this doesn't look good. How can you prepare for a fight and miss the drug test like they didn't let you know they were coming!!

[u122564]

Yea either way something isn’t right about it all and the punishment is less than a thousand dollar fine. That’s chump change for them especially with the benefits they get if they are using. Here’s that link. You should check it out.

http://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-art...O-q1PK5o3xfHjE

good read. id suggest people read this article.

[Bjl12]

Dude, you should tell folks WHY its su****ious. I mean when was the latest sample taken before the missed attempt? Was this the first sample to be taken for this fight?

Dang Charlo this doesn't look good. How can you prepare for a fight and miss the drug test like they didn't let you know they were coming!!

Billy Joe Saunders and Canelo both were punished by being disqualified from multi-million dollar fights. Why does Charlo get a free pass? This type of violation should carry a stiffer penalty. It's too dangerous to continue to let fighters off easy when it comes to ped's and hiding from random test collectors. The known whereabouts rules are there for a reason.

I love how people just assume vada isnt going to leave a voicemail just because the Charlo's didn't answer their unknown number. What a ****** excuse.

This is really su****ious.

Trying to act ******.

hilarious excuses. the exact excuses cheaters would make therefore they must not be cheating cause its too obvious

im not saying charlo is on anything, but, if anyone here has seen the victor conte interview, then you would be highly su****ious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t93U7NQb7LE

It could have been intentional, but context helps the discussion.

The whole point of USADA/WADA/VADA, etc. is R A N D O M drug testing. RANDOM cannot be stressed enough.

When an athlete KNOWS they are being tested there are things they can do to avoid popping for different substances. One might think "well it's steroids/EPO/testosterone/etc. how much can one really do to hide it"? Let one of the most famous bicyclists in the world demonstrate:

• Here's an excerpt regarding Lance Armstrong and his very careful and meticulous doping scandal:
  
• Nine days into the 2004 Tour de France, the U.S. Postal Service cycling team, led by Lance Armstrong, checked into a hotel near the village of Saint-Léonard-de-Noblat.
  
• According to one of the U.S. Postal team's most prominent riders at the time, Floyd Landis, one room at the hotel had been set aside for a secret procedure.
  
• Outside its door, Mr. Landis said, team staff members were stationed at each end of the hall to make sure nobody showed up unannounced. The riders were told before they went into the room not to talk when they got inside, he said. The smoke detectors had been taken down, he said, plastic was taped over the heater and the air-conditioning unit, and anything with a hole in it was taped over. The purpose, Mr. Landis figured, was to obscure the view of any hidden camera.
  
• The riders on the team who participated in this procedure lay down on the bed, two at a time, Mr. Landis said, with a doctor on each side. Mr. Landis said he got a blood transfusion. He said he also saw Mr. Armstrong and two other team members, George Hincapie and José Luis Rubiera, taking blood. He said he didn't see any other riders getting transfusions that day.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...26753200584006

Here's another - very relevant - tactic used by Lance Amrstrong and his team:

• According to the report, Armstrong and the members of the U.S. Postal Service Cycling team became experts on their own blood chemistry. They would dope regularly, but use small amounts, or "micro-doses" which they would take at night so as not to fail a test in the morning.
  
• If all else failed, Armstrong and his racing team would simply hide from the anti-doping testers. They evaded them by making last-minute travel changes, skipping certain races, alerting each other about unannounced tests through text messages or, according to The New York Times, by simply not answering the knock at the door:
  
• The simplest was pretending not to be home when the testers arrived. As long as they were in the city they had reported as their locations, the riders found they would not receive a warning for not answering the door.

https://www.livescience.com/23932-la...ing-tests.html

Hmm..sounds oddly familiar. What do the Charlos do that separate them from their competitors (they haven't faced any elite competition yet anways)? Well they are very strong and appear to have very good stamina.

What do PED's specifically enhance? Strength and stamina.

Looks pretty, pretty bad. Which is why RANDOM testing is so important in detecting cheaters

[Sledgeweather17]

The WBC declined to reveal the amount of the fine imposed on the Charlos. But in a November 29 email, Alberto Leon (chief legal counsel for the WBC) advised, “In general, for a first whereabouts failure, the fine is limited to the actual costs of collection incurred which so far have fluctuated between $750 and $950 depending on the location of the collection effort.”
In today’s world of microdosing, many illegal PEDs leave an athlete’s system within twenty-four hours. The unfortunate message sent by the WBC regarding the Charlos is, hypothetically speaking, if a fighter takes an illegal performance enhancing drug and, by chance, VADA shows up to test him while the drug is still in his system, the fighter can simply “miss” his test and pay a small fine.

But the matter didn’t end there. On November 27, Jermall Charlo tweeted, “Missed the Test not Failed you idiots. It’s Random and wbc program or Whoever they are Randomly chose a day we were out of town doing promotional stuff on Fox for the Next fight. Get ya facts straight. I like I said Haters must Hate it’s the job.”

As previously noted, the Charlos are scheduled to fight at Barclays Center on December 22. The New York State Athletic Commission acknowledges having been advised of the missed tests but initially maintained in a November 30 email that “The VADA and WADA [World Anti-Doping Agency] programs are separate from the New York State Athletic Commission’s Rules & Regulations.”

In other words, according to the New York State Athletic Commission, the missed tests were a matter for the WBC, not the NYSAC, to resolve. That was a ludicrous position and, three days later, the commission backtracked, saying, “The NYSAC is indeed investigating this matter fully and takes it very seriously. We are undertaking specific actions as part of this investigation and are in regular contact with the promoter, the combatants involved, and their seconds.”

These “specific actions” are said to include additional tests administered to the Charlos at the direction of the NYSAC. That’s a case of too little too late given the transitory nature of performance enhancing drugs in a fighter’s system.

The NYSAC should have acted on the Charlos’ situation in early November. Then, if it felt that a remedy similar to Nevada’s handling of Canelo Alvarez was warranted, the December 22 fight card could have been reconfigured. At this late date, no one expects the NYSAC to interfere with the card.

But let’s follow up with a few questions in response to Jermall Charlo’s tweet. Questions that the New York State Athletic Commission should ask at a hearing with Jermall and Jermell Charlo under oath.

Where were the Charlos doing their out-of-town promotional work for Fox? Presumably, there’s a record of their travel. What, specifically, was the promotional work? Who did they meet with? Why didn’t they answer their phones when the VADA collection officers attempted to reach them? VADA could have sent collection officers to collect blood and urine samples in whatever city the Charlos were in. Jermall and Jermell Charlo might be totally innocent of any wrongdoing. But suppose it turns out that they weren’t out of town that day? That would be a problem, wouldn’t it?”

Even if you asked those questions the chances are slim that the Charlos intentionally avoided testing, since you know, it's freakin random.

Their escape/hiding would have had to be premeditated since they didn't know Vada was coming over on that specfic day.

Not answering calls? How would they have known it was VADA who was calling? I doubt every official uses the same number. So how would they have known which calls to avoid and which ones to answer?

[Bjl12]

Even if you asked those questions the chances are slim that the Charlos intentionally avoided testing, since you know, it's freakin random.

Their escape/hiding would have had to be premeditated since they didn't know Vada was coming over on that specfic day.

Not answering calls? How would they have known it was VADA who was calling? I doubt every official uses the same number. So how would they have known which calls to avoid and which ones to answer?

TIL Sledgeweather is a CUCK who works in Charlos team...otherwise he is talking out his ass and making shit up.

Sit down lil bitch

[steeve steel]

Isn't that what RANDOM means? I'm confused...

[Slowhand]

Why are people defending Charlo? The rules are simple enough even for him.

[Ake-Dawg]

The whole point of USADA/WADA/VADA, etc. is R A N D O M drug testing. RANDOM cannot be stressed enough.

When an athlete KNOWS they are being tested there are things they can do to avoid popping for different substances. One might think "well it's steroids/EPO/testosterone/etc. how much can one really do to hide it"? Let one of the most famous bicyclists in the world demonstrate:

• Here's an excerpt regarding Lance Armstrong and his very careful and meticulous doping scandal:
  
• Nine days into the 2004 Tour de France, the U.S. Postal Service cycling team, led by Lance Armstrong, checked into a hotel near the village of Saint-Léonard-de-Noblat.
  
• According to one of the U.S. Postal team's most prominent riders at the time, Floyd Landis, one room at the hotel had been set aside for a secret procedure.
  
• Outside its door, Mr. Landis said, team staff members were stationed at each end of the hall to make sure nobody showed up unannounced. The riders were told before they went into the room not to talk when they got inside, he said. The smoke detectors had been taken down, he said, plastic was taped over the heater and the air-conditioning unit, and anything with a hole in it was taped over. The purpose, Mr. Landis figured, was to obscure the view of any hidden camera.
  
• The riders on the team who participated in this procedure lay down on the bed, two at a time, Mr. Landis said, with a doctor on each side. Mr. Landis said he got a blood transfusion. He said he also saw Mr. Armstrong and two other team members, George Hincapie and José Luis Rubiera, taking blood. He said he didn't see any other riders getting transfusions that day.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...26753200584006

Here's another - very relevant - tactic used by Lance Amrstrong and his team:

• According to the report, Armstrong and the members of the U.S. Postal Service Cycling team became experts on their own blood chemistry. They would dope regularly, but use small amounts, or "micro-doses" which they would take at night so as not to fail a test in the morning.
  
• If all else failed, Armstrong and his racing team would simply hide from the anti-doping testers. They evaded them by making last-minute travel changes, skipping certain races, alerting each other about unannounced tests through text messages or, according to The New York Times, by simply not answering the knock at the door:
  
• The simplest was pretending not to be home when the testers arrived. As long as they were in the city they had reported as their locations, the riders found they would not receive a warning for not answering the door.

https://www.livescience.com/23932-la...ing-tests.html

Hmm..sounds oddly familiar. What do the Charlos do that separate them from their competitors (they haven't faced any elite competition yet anways)? Well they are very strong and appear to have very good stamina.

What do PED's specifically enhance? Strength and stamina.

Looks pretty, pretty bad. Which is why RANDOM testing is so important in detecting cheaters

Didn't they say they were out of town though? And wasn't Armstrong adding EPO into his blood right before racing? How would microdosing help a boxer during training camp if the substance metabolizes within 24 hours.

[Ake-Dawg]

Why are people defending Charlo? The rules are simple enough even for him.

Defending or asking deeper questions before jumping to conclusions? A lot of people want to know how a fighter plans to be out of town the day of a random sample is supposed to be taken. If it's random, how would they know when to be gone.

Now maybe they were home and lied. If so, that could easily be determined. I just want the conspiracy theorist to put together a solid logic string as to why this is indicative of the Charlos cheating.

[Ake-Dawg]

Yea either way something isn’t right about it all and the punishment is less than a thousand dollar fine. That’s chump change for them especially with the benefits they get if they are using. Here’s that link. You should check it out.

http://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-art...O-q1PK5o3xfHjE

There is some good data used but also some sloppy use of conjecture in that article which is typical of Hauser. For instance, what are examples of what and how substances that can be used over 10 weeks before a fight to obtain benefits during the fight. What substances cause gyno and how would that substance benefit a certain fighter based on his style.

Trust me, I'm an advocate for clean fighters. However where is the point where we we say the likelihood of cheating has been minimized such that it's hard to be enhanced over say 10% of your natural abilities on fight night and that say 10% is an acceptable margin.