Deontay wilder: The undisputed lie!!!

[just the facts]

Why are u clowns still talking about Vegas for, dont you ever learn your lessons lol

Are you dis*****g that this fight (or any major fight for that matter)makes more money in Vegas than anywhere else? Even you're not that ******.

[KillaMane26]

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Let's even say the $28 million is a clean offer. It's still a much worse offer than the Fury match.

Wilder is going to make at least $20 million fighting Fury again, likely $25 million. He gets to fight at home for that money instead of fighting overseas. Also, if he wins, he doesn't owe Fury a rematch.

So even if the $28 million is legit with no poison pills, it still makes less sense to do that deal instead of rematching Fury.

And for all you idiots crying last year that Wilder would be ****** to turn down $12.5 million, if the offer is now $28 million, where are your apologies for being so wrong?

Wilder didn't turn down 12.5 million , he turned down the real contract which he agreed to the 15 million offer. He didn't make 15 million in the Fury fight and he probably wont fight Fury in a rematch so if he doesn't you will look like someone who does not really know the business , every time you post it has red flags everywhere.

[j0zef]

Let's even say the $28 million is a clean offer. It's still a much worse offer than the Fury match.

Wilder is going to make at least $20 million fighting Fury again, likely $25 million. He gets to fight at home for that money instead of fighting overseas. Also, if he wins, he doesn't owe Fury a rematch.

So even if the $28 million is legit with no poison pills, it still makes less sense to do that deal instead of rematching Fury.

And for all you idiots crying last year that Wilder would be ****** to turn down $12.5 million, if the offer is now $28 million, where are your apologies for being so wrong?

The first fight generated 325k*75 = 24.4M + 10M gate = ~35M + UK PPV (if Wilder even gets any of them). That's overall revenue, without network share, arena costs or Fury getting 'half'.

He didn't come anywhere remotely close to $20M from that fight. Wilder's guarantee was $4M for a reason, and publicly stated breakeven was 300k. The wiki from that fight says the actual b/e was 250k, which is reasonable, and puts Wilder's purse at around $6M.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontay_Wilder_vs._Tyson_Fury#Fight_purses

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This is not very interesting and difficult to follow. The truth is negotiations take time and both parties require time to explore potential avenues. Joshua May have Wembley booked but I think that’s largely irrelevant, the fact is simply this - Aj vs Wilder can raise some astronomical figures globally as it can be aggressively marketed beyond anything the division has seen in a long time particularly because one guy is US and one is UK both huge markets and collectively generate a massive amount. This fight exists itself and as such requires a different metric to allocation what each side gets paid it cannot be compared to historical figures not accurately anyhow so it’s acceptable to set it at 50/50 in my honest opinion and if both fighters want to be undisputed I cannot see why 50/50 would be an issue. So why is it an issue because it’s not about the undisputed crown it’s about getting the largest slice of the pie as possible and that’s all this whole AJ circus is about they are not in any way comfortable in given away financial ground so please refrain from telling me this is for the undisputed championship it’s not. I thinking if anyone is shirking from the challenge it has to be AJ side and the proof is there in its most purest form. The match room camp are heavily focused on the financial side they have a strategy and understand much better than the other boxers/promotors the money side of the game they recognise the value of holding belts and they equally recognise the potential loss of revenue without those belts. Anything that hits their revenue steam must be avoided. If wilders camp were half as good they would have fought the 2 bit nobodies Aj fought to win his titles a long time before Aj but they didn’t and matchroom really capitalised and shored up their position.

The bottom line is if anyone is ducking it will be the Aj camp because they know the impact of a loss on their revenue stream. The only reason they are keen now is because fury destroyed wilder and now Aj seems to think wilder is a light touch and fancies his chances pre December 1 he wouldn’t have touched him with Klitschkos fist.

Wilder all he wants is a fair share give him 50/50 he will fight so it’s not really about wilder it’s about Aj if he truly wants to be #1 give the guy his dues and knock him out. But to be the best in this era right now Tyson Fury is the man to beat the guy with no titles is actually better than both paper champions. Joshua has Tyson’s old belts to really claim them as his he needs to beat Fury. Wilder needs to beat fury to legitimise his own championship. It’s a beautiful setup and I hope they all fight each other multiple times.

"fury destroyed wilder " Must have seen a different fight because the guy who should've won was knocked down twice and won by 2 rounds including Knockdowns of 8 /10 rounds, thats not destroying. Wilder has no one besides Fury to help him generate interest if he avoids Joshua who will make more money win or lose,so wheres the logic that team Joshua is afraid when its wilder who has 2 guys hes limited to ?

[Batfink]

Look at Mayweather fights to recognise dominance knockdowns don’t necessarily win you fights you can flash knock down anyone - he had no real dominance I don’t believe he built up to the knock downs with pressure or skill he just caught the guy thats my view wilder was Schooled at the sweet science this is also the opinion of the ring magazine who place Tyson Fury at #2 above wilder. The great thing is that we need a rematch to find out who’s who.

I think right now the landscape has changed and each fight wilder has will generate increasing levels of revenue the guys Is on the rise with Joshua I think his stock is falling without these guys. That’s my opinion but I guess the forthcoming bouts will definitely demonstrate if that hypothesis is true.

It’s important in my view to look under the hood and see the machinery at work. The matchroom team are very focused on long term strategy and money making which is great they should be but not at the behest of boxing I think that right now the reason their appetite is huge for wilder is because they concerned their revenue will drop and after seeing Wilder fight fury I think they actually believe they can take him out.

The fact is why take on a risk when you can fight 2 bit mandatories for huge money anyhow. As a financial strategy I agree with that risk reward, however this is heavyweight boxing and deserves some respect outside of the fiscal goals of these heathens

Wilder has been poorly managed and poorly marketed he should have made a profile as big as Aj and he hasn’t that’s their ******ity but since this guys is out of the woodwork Aj well he needs to step to the plate and take him out and not hide behind the whole numbers thing.

It’s not that hard to make the fight it really isn’t if it’s one side that’s going to be difficult it’s going to be Aj because why should he take home a 50/50 he has been selling out stadiums it’s that thing that’s stopping it. In fairness without fury or wilder his stadium filling days with b class opposition are numbered

I like all 3 I think they are superb for the division all unique all brilliant in their own way and all 3 should just focus on each other because there ain’t no body in this division that’s gonna trouble these boys right now.

[billeau2]

I can literally hear my brain cells dying as I'm reading your post.

I felt mine dying reading this entire thread. It should be stickied as an example of why fans should follow fighters and not try to makes statements about things not understood.

[billeau2]

I *SO* enjoy seeing Robbie getting his azz spanked on his own threads. He's such a glutton for punishment, but he brings it on himself.

Must have some masochistic tendencies.

One truly wonders whether he knows its happening, or not.

[juggernaut666]

Are you dis*****g that this fight (or any major fight for that matter)makes more money in Vegas than anywhere else? Even you're not that ******.

Who cares where it makes the most money , are you the unified champion that's generating the money?

If Wilder disagrees where it should takes place even though he's not remotely capable of being on the same level as Joshua on a business scale are you still in support of the fight not happening ?

The most money made is irrelevant here bc Wilder won't make the kind of money Joshua is offering with all belts on the line , unless you're an idiot who thinks he's involved here where the financial gains personally effect you and you think your on team Wilder getting a cut of it.

So my question to you is are you an idiot ? if the answers yes ,don't worry your not alone because 99% of the Wilder head cases on here would rather have him hold out for more money to instead of him actually fight....

[club fighter]

One truly wonders whether he knows its happening, or not.

I say that every time I read your posts.

...... but then again, you get your azz handed to you so often I'm reading it almost every day on NSB.