PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?

[travestyny]

Well why weren't there any? There wasn't justification on Floyd's side why you are doing proper negotiation in 2010 but then back off for 4 years. Can't just blame everything on Arum as shady as he is since Arum agreed to the same terms he agreed to in 2015. You can't just ignore that as well.

Here's an example of what I mean:

Mayweather calls Pacquiao out for May 5th, 2012.

“Manny Pacquiao I’m calling you out let’s fight May 5th and give the world what they want to see,” he wrote (@FloydMayweather). “My Jail Sentence was pushed back because the date was locked in. Step up Punk.”

So far, there’s no word out of Manny’s camp.

https://hot963.com/1982442/floyd-may...-step-up-punk/

Arum says Pacquiao prefers Marquez 4, and that Mayweather will still be there in November.

Manny Pacquiao is said to want Juan Manuel Marquez rematch

Promoter Bob Arum says Pacquiao can fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. later. Oscar De La Hoya, who helps promote Mayweather, objects.

November 14, 2011|By Lance Pugmire

Manny Pacquiao's promoter said Monday that the Filipino superstar prefers a fourth fight against Juan Manuel Marquez to a super-fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

"That fight [Mayweather] can still be there for us in November [2012]," Bob Arum told The Times.

That position brought a strong reaction from rival promoter and former fighter Oscar De La Hoya, who helps promote Mayweather and said the 42-0 welterweight champion has already reserved May 5 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas for boxing's dream fight.

"I say to Manny, fighter to fighter, 'Step it up, tell Arum what you want,' " De La Hoya said. "You're the fighter. You're a congressman. You call the shots here and decide who you're going to fight."

De La Hoya said he's confident Mayweather wants the mega-bout. De La Hoya said he has spoken to Mayweather's advisor and manager, Al Haymon, and received further assurance.

However, Arum said Pacquiao agrees his narrow and controversial majority decision over Marquez on Saturday at the MGM Grand "did not have the finish he wanted." That, he added, justified a fourth fight between the combatants.

Pacquiao, 32, and Marquez, 38, previously fought to a draw in 2004 and a split decision won by Pacquiao in 2008.

Arum said he'll stage Pacquiao-Marquez IV in April or June, either at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas or a specially constructed outdoor venue in Las Vegas.

"We know who doesn't want the big fight now," De La Hoya said. "And his name is Bob Arum."

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov...rquez-20111115

Koncz saying it makes no sense financially because it would have to be held in the MGM Grand Garden.

Manny Pacquiao's camp says there is no economic sense in setting up a bout with Floyd Mayweather on 5 May after the unbeaten American publicly challenged the Filipino champion via Twitter.

Pacquiao's financial adviser, Michael Koncz, said that a 45,000-seat boxing arena being built in Las Vegas will not be finished before the end of May and staging the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight in a smaller venue is "foolish from an economic standpoint".

Mayweather challenged and taunted Pacquiao to a bout in a tweet on Tuesday, writing: "Manny Pacquiao I'm calling you out let's fight May 5th and give the world what they want to see."

Mayweather is available for a fight in May at the MGM Grand Garden after a judge agreed last week to postpone his jail sentence for domestic violence until June. Mayweather was sentenced to 87 days in jail, but is likely to serve less time.

The MGM Grand only seats around 17,000 spectators, which could raise around $20m (£13m) in sales, but the larger arena could raise an additional $30m, Koncz said.

"Why would I tell Manny to fight on the 5th and throw away a percentage of $30m? That's crazy."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...oyd-mayweather

1. Manny was knocked unconscious.

2. Guess where the fight was ultimately held...?


Another thrown away opportunity by the Pacquiao camp.

[Raonic]

Here's an example of what I mean:

Mayweather calls Pacquiao out for May 5th, 2012.



Arum says Pacquiao prefers Marquez 4, and that Mayweather will still be there in November.




Koncz saying it makes no sense financially because it would have to be held in the MGM Grand Garden.




1. Manny was knocked unconscious.

2. Guess where the fight was ultimately held...?


Another thrown away opportunity by the Pacquiao camp.

Well that's nitpicking again. I'm sure there are many situations where Manny said something that was just as contradictory as Floyd was. There's just as many instances were Floyd was holding up the fight. Manny was ready to sign papers as long as he got a fair split and he wasn't offered one until 2015.

[travestyny]

Well that's nitpicking again. I'm sure there are many situations where Manny said something that was just as contradictory as Floyd was. There's just as many instances were Floyd was holding up the fight. Manny was ready to sign papers as long as he got a fair split and he wasn't offered one until 2015.

Then we agree that when the negotiation was fair, Pacquaio was the hold up?

Afterward, I'm trying to pinpoint what you are blaming Mayweather's side for. I'm not nitpicking. I'm trying to be thorough if you want a fair analysis of who was mostly to blame.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Yer the dummy to blame.

Arum and Manny already invested too much time and money on negotiations TUE 50-0 would laugh and disappear for a month.

The people knew though and catcalled him in public that grew enough pressure that caused him to crack with his baby mama and susequent felony conviction. He even got his own private jail cell to protect him from the general population and went squalin' to his daddy and Ellerbee.

Cotto took that May 5th fight on short notice and smacked his kandy keister around the ring easy til he ran out of steam for lack of training.

Short notice TBAs was the TUE specialty that Haymon has adopted for the rest of his boys...biggest bunch of protected sissies in boxing!!!

[Raonic]

Then we agree that when the negotiation was fair, Pacquaio was the hold up?

Afterward, I'm trying to pinpoint what you are blaming Mayweather's side for. I'm not nitpicking. I'm trying to be thorough if you want a fair analysis of who was mostly to blame.

I'm suggesting that between 2009 and 2015, both sides had plenty of blame to hold up the fight.

You keep isolating those "fair neogotiations" but describing a narrative that Floyd calls the shots and is the one who creates the terms and then it's in Manny's court to accept or decline. That's not negotiating. That's posturing.

You can't sign a contract that the terms haven't been agreed upon yet. Signing a contract meant they reached an agreement of terms they were both happy with. Clearly that didn't happen. So Floyd siging a contract with terms that Manny wasn't happy with is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

If Manny said he has XYZ terms and it's in Floyd's court to accept, we all know that's obvious crap.

Manny didn't accept Floyd's (fair) offer in 2009 but don't confuse that with the idea that Manny didn't make any attempts to make fair offers that Floyd didn't want either.

[travestyny]

I'm suggesting that between 2009 and 2015, both sides had plenty of blame to hold up the fight.

You keep isolating those "fair neogotiations" but describing a narrative that Floyd calls the shots and is the one who creates the terms and then it's in Manny's court to accept or decline. That's not negotiating. That's posturing.

You can't sign a contract that the terms haven't been agreed upon yet. Signing a contract meant they reached an agreement of terms they were both happy with. Clearly that didn't happen. So Floyd siging a contract with terms that Manny wasn't happy with is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

If Manny said he has XYZ terms and it's in Floyd's court to accept, we all know that's obvious crap.

Manny didn't accept Floyd's (fair) offer in 2009 but don't confuse that with the idea that Manny didn't make any attempts to make fair offers that Floyd didn't want either.

Then all you have to do is point out the exact instances where you believe Mayweather was responsible for holding up the fight. I've shown two where Pacauaio was clearly the one dragging his feet. All I'm asking for you to do is put some actual substance behind your words.

We can then both dig a bit deeper and see what we find out.

[boxinggod101]

I'm a big Manny fan but Floyd beats him. I don't like Floyd but can't hate on the guy boxing skills. He's a top 10 ATG.

[Raonic]

Then all you have to do is point out the exact instances where you believe Mayweather was responsible for holding up the fight. I've shown two where Pacauaio was clearly the one dragging his feet. All I'm asking for you to do is put some actual substance behind your words.

We can then both dig a bit deeper and see what we find out.

What are you talking about? I pointed out at various times where both guys have held up the fight.

Hell in the exact same time you said Floyd "signed" a contract that Manny didn't, Manny proposed a different set of terms that Floyd didn't agree to. It's a 2 way street.

The idea of signing a contract when the terms haven't been negotiated is pure posturing. Why he would decide to draft a contract and sign it when Manny didn't agree to terms is beyond me. It's not as if they both agreed to terms then someone didn't sign. They couldn't get past negotiating. Negotiating is a 2 way street. I think Manny should have accepted as it was reasonable. That doesn't mean it's on him to accept terms that he doesn't agree on or that it's his fault because Floyd "signed a contract".

I sure hope in the future you agree to terms before creating a contract and signing anything.

[travestyny]

What are you talking about? I pointed out at various times where both guys have held up the fight.

Hell in the exact same time you said Floyd "signed" a contract that Manny didn't, Manny proposed a different set of terms that Floyd didn't agree to. It's a 2 way street.

Really? So what you're saying is needing 24 days to recover from giving less than 2 tbsps of blood is logical?

The idea of signing a contract when the terms haven't been negotiated is pure posturing. Why he would decide to draft a contract and sign it when Manny didn't agree to terms is beyond me. It's not as if they both agreed to terms then someone didn't sign. They couldn't get past negotiating. Negotiating is a 2 way street. I think Manny should have accepted as it was reasonable.

Well at least you agree. The drug testing was reasonable.

That doesn't mean it's on him to accept terms that he doesn't agree on or that it's his fault because Floyd "signed a contract".

I sure hope in the future you agree to terms before creating a contract and signing anything.

I don't think you are understanding what happened here.

It's not like Mayweather just drew up a contract that was a bunch of crazy demands that were all his idea, signed it, and then said, Well, I signed it. You didn't.

Dude. The contract was negotiated by both parties. Pacquiao had agreed to the terms. That's the reason the contract was signed off on and sent out.

This might help you to completely understand:

Manny Pacquiao's promoter said late Friday night that the Filipino boxing star has verbally agreed to terms to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. March 13 in a bout that has the potential to become the most lucrative in history.

Promoter Bob Arum told The Times from the Philippines that Pacquiao has not yet signed the deal, but described that as a formality.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec...her5-2009dec05

So you are giving false information when you say Pacquiao didn't agree. There was nothing in the contract that he didn't agree with. He disagreed with the framework for drug testing, which you have gone on record above saying that it was a fair offer.


So now that you know the terms of the contract were negotiated and agreed to by both parties, and know that Pacquaio bailed due to what even you said was a fair framework for drug testing, I guess that means you agree with what I've been saying...?

[QueensburyRules]

I'm a big Manny fan but Floyd beats him. I don't like Floyd but can't hate on the guy boxing skills. He's a top 10 ATG.

--- TUE 50-0 an ATG sissy, fraud, and drug cheat extraordinaire.

After purchasing his own commish and drug testing cartel, they rigged him up real sweet for modern metros to gush over.