Help Me Understand Wilder's 20lb+ Weight Loss

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  • HeadShots
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    #41
    Originally posted by NahMean
    It's not weight loss, it’s muscle loss. Both he and his trainer Deas said he lost weight muscle weight which either means he stopped working out on strength conditioning, did lots of cardio and went on diet.. which we know isn’t the case as Wilder himself says he doesn’t believe in road work and never jogs or runs and strength and conditioning is part of boxing and plenty of vids show him doing it.

    Second reason which seems more plausible is steroids.. Wilder was 229lb before being enrolled into drug testing. Interesting fact is ever since drug testing Wilder’s weigh has come down in every single fight one after the other!! How on earth can a athlete lose so much muscle?
    he was enrolled in VADA for the first Bermane fight for the WBC strap. He was 219 lbs.


    Still on VADA 365, he went to fight Spilka more than a year later, he was 229 lbs.



    So he gained weight under VADA 365.


    Now he lost weight yes but he gained weight first.

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    • eco1
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      #42
      he was afraid and got diarrhea

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      • NahMean
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        #43
        Originally posted by HeadShots
        he was enrolled in VADA for the first Bermane fight for the WBC strap. He was 219 lbs.


        Still on VADA 365, he went to fight Spilka more than a year later, he was 229 lbs.



        So he gained weight under VADA 365.


        Now he lost weight yes but he gained weight first.

        If you read my other post I clarify what happened with Spzlika.. I don't know if you remember, after that brutal KO Spzlika was hospitalised, he said there was no drug testing and felt like Wilder was on something.

        Anyhow WBC VADA clean boxing program was introduced after that fight and even after it has been introduced Wilder himself has said they only test you when you’re in camp not year round. See my comment below below

        Originally posted by NahMean
        Wrong.. WBC clean boxing program was introduced after Splizka fight and ever since it was introduced, Wilder has lost weight! Splizka even bough up the issue there was no drug testing for their fight and called out Wilder for not taking tests (See article below).


        https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-v...started--99441

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          #44
          Originally posted by NahMean
          Wrong.. WBC clean boxing program was introduced after Splizka fight and ever since it was introduced, Wilder has lost weight! Splizka even bough up the issue there was no drug testing for their fight and called out Wilder for not taking tests (See article below).


          https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-v...started--99441

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          • Chunkycrunk
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            #45
            Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
            The fear of Joshua has caused him stress and decreases his appetite.
            Joshua is a big dude... “dee—-yon—-tae” will prolly get ktfo, but, he’ll go down swinging. Windmilling is what Annie called his fighting style.

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              #46
              Originally posted by eco1
              he was afraid and got diarrhea
              I suffer from IBS. Irritable bowel Syndrone, my old man pampers cand hold the explosions in. The smell, I can stink up any place. So can Charlie Zelenoff, and Deontae.

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              • Marchegiano
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                #47
                Originally posted by HeadShots
                It should be a concern


                He will drain more of his stamina because he’s lighter. At say 228 230 lbs he doesn’t need to use as much energy in tie ups and clinches. At 207 lbs he needs to be exert much more energy against 240+lb men
                I like it but no.

                I understand the logic and I ain't laughing at that, you do make sense, but, you are very, very, very, wrong and if you knew a lick of history you'd know that.

                Weight divisions came as a natural evolution of scheduled ends. A fight that is not scheduled to end but rather ends whenever someone is KO'd or quits favors the smaller men.

                It is the big fellas who were being killed by boxing not the little guys. The little guys have more energy to spend and play off that, they literally tired thousands of men to death.

                To curb the killing and murder investigation boxing went to scheduled ends (judges) which absolutely negates the natural balance of power between sizes and forces the smaller man to do more work earlier giving the larger man an unfair advantage, hence weight classes.

                I am not assuming this, I have a good 200 years worth of history in my back pocket that proves it.


                In all cases it is the smaller man with more energy to burn. History proves it and if you need a scientific explanation I am actually a kinesiologist, not an MD, but similar. It is recuperation you are not considering. A smaller man refills his tank much more rapidly and doesn't need as lengthy of a break. Back in the bare knuckle days they got the big'en so worked over that those fellas would go down officially as a KO but when you read the round by round it's more the big guy got too tired to hold himself up, and like I said before loads of them died.




                If I was Wilder I wouldn't listen to everyone telling me to be normal. He's not a normal fighter. They should look to exploit, exaggerate, and enforce his natural abilities and traits rather than trying to turn him into who they think is the ideal HW.

                Wilder does not need more size, it wouldn't even help him. Wilder does not need higher level boxing techniques, they'll only put him into positions not favorable to his traits. Wilder needs to make sure he has power and stamina beyond the entire fight and attain higher level pygmachos skills, like Marciano's overheads. There's a reason Wilder can't land a looping shot for **** and Marciano threw them around like they were throw pillows. Comparatively Wilder is a **** puncher riding off natural talent that has yet to be evolved beyond a basic posture/position/patience bait game.


                If Wilder knew how to set up looping hands he too could land them on excellent, ATG, movers and defensive boxers from across the ring. It looks obvious from the outside only. Inside it's deceptive. How else to you get Archie Moore to stand there and look at you while you jump into his face with a punch? Got to have him looking at something or for something else right? Wilder and his team need to get with it.

                Boxing the boxer and putting on weight is ****ing dumb. I wish someone would ask them " If you have a guy who is more successful than everyone else without being like everyone else why on earth would you want to make him everyone else?" It's ****ing ******.

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                • HeadShots
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Marchegiano
                  I like it but no.

                  I understand the logic and I ain't laughing at that, you do make sense, but, you are very, very, very, wrong and if you knew a lick of history you'd know that.

                  Weight divisions came as a natural evolution of scheduled ends. A fight that is not scheduled to end but rather ends whenever someone is KO'd or quits favors the smaller men.

                  It is the big fellas who were being killed by boxing not the little guys. The little guys have more energy to spend and play off that, they literally tired thousands of men to death.

                  To curb the killing and murder investigation boxing went to scheduled ends (judges) which absolutely negates the natural balance of power between sizes and forces the smaller man to do more work earlier giving the larger man an unfair advantage, hence weight classes.

                  I am not assuming this, I have a good 200 years worth of history in my back pocket that proves it.


                  In all cases it is the smaller man with more energy to burn. History proves it and if you need a scientific explanation I am actually a kinesiologist, not an MD, but similar. It is recuperation you are not considering. A smaller man refills his tank much more rapidly and doesn't need as lengthy of a break. Back in the bare knuckle days they got the big'en so worked over that those fellas would go down officially as a KO but when you read the round by round it's more the big guy got too tired to hold himself up, and like I said before loads of them died.




                  If I was Wilder I wouldn't listen to everyone telling me to be normal. He's not a normal fighter. They should look to exploit, exaggerate, and enforce his natural abilities and traits rather than trying to turn him into who they think is the ideal HW.

                  Wilder does not need more size, it wouldn't even help him. Wilder does not need higher level boxing techniques, they'll only put him into positions not favorable to his traits. Wilder needs to make sure he has power and stamina beyond the entire fight and attain higher level pygmachos skills, like Marciano's overheads. There's a reason Wilder can't land a looping shot for **** and Marciano threw them around like they were throw pillows. Comparatively Wilder is a **** puncher riding off natural talent that has yet to be evolved beyond a basic posture/position/patience bait game.


                  If Wilder knew how to set up looping hands he too could land them on excellent, ATG, movers and defensive boxers from across the ring. It looks obvious from the outside only. Inside it's deceptive. How else to you get Archie Moore to stand there and look at you while you jump into his face with a punch? Got to have him looking at something or for something else right? Wilder and his team need to get with it.

                  Boxing the boxer and putting on weight is ****ing dumb. I wish someone would ask them " If you have a guy who is more successful than everyone else without being like everyone else why on earth would you want to make him everyone else?" It's ****ing ******.

                  this reads like cope from a manlet.

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                  • Heru
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                    #49
                    With a consistent weight lifting routine, putting on 20 pounds of weight (mostly water) can be fairly easy if he's dirty bulking during training.

                    With Wilder's body type and conditioning, it's fairly easy for him to shed those 20 pounds if he isn't simultaneously dirty bulking.

                    Deontay must've performed better at the weight he's currently at and decided to cut weight lifting out of his training. With these last 2 performances, he (or his team) must be questioning if the weight is an issue (it isn't). It's like fighter's moving up a weight class after losing, except Deontay isn't dehydrating himself to make weight like they are.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by HeadShots
                      this reads like cope from a manlet.
                      I'm too old to understand twinkle-toed Tinkerbell talk.


                      Put on your big boy pants when you speak to me and talk like a grown ass man or save yourself the clicks and typing.

                      I'm too old for you to waste my time, it is wasted, it's your time you are wasting.

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