Eddie Hearn "Are We Running Or Begging Deontay Wilder?"

[Robbie Barrett]

hahaha, the rematch is gonna sell twice as much as the first fight. i'm sure wilder is fine with taking that kind of "hit." he's going to make at least 20 million in his next fight regardless of opponent. doubt he has any complaints.

20 mil? I doubt it, when a rematch will be 50/50.

Regardless of opponent? He can't make more than 5 without Fury or Joshua.

[EasternEuroFan]

Or maybe he went on ESPN First Take because he was in NYC and it's a really big show?

Just throwing out possibilities.

Nah

He and Hearn are in damage control. They asked to go on the show. He isn't allowed to talk to cameras without Hearn's permission.

[N/A]

20 mil? I doubt it

doesnt matter what you doubt since youre a teenager without any knowledge or experience.

if they do over 600,00 buys, they'll each make 20.

Regardless of opponent? He can't make more than 5 without Fury or Joshua.

good thing he has offers for both fury and joshua where he'd make 20. whichever he picks, he'll be doing well. the only thing that could **** him is joshua and fury choosing to fight each other next. then he's really screwed. otherwise he hasn't taken a hit, he's doing better than ever.

[Falkano]

Have zero interest in this fight now. Based on Wilder's past 2 fights AJ destroys him. Won't even last long.
Wilder needs to fight someone other than Fury or AJ or he will lose his belt and he knows that.

[Scipio2009]

Exactly, Wilder exposed himself. If it is true that Joshua is begging for a fight with him then he surely isn't the one who is ducking is he ? Deontay is not the brightest character...

Anthony Joshua went on US TV, and let it out of his mouth that the Vegas offer, that his own promoter says was real, was somehow imaginary.

And Joshua, in the same interview, harping about his date but also talking about real world value and "his position" makes it clear as day that he's not, in his own mind anyway, budging from what was already offered to Wilder.

I root for Anthony Joshua, but this is a clear attempt at damage control because 1) Wilder-Fury was a better event than anyone could've imagined and 2) he's likely already signed the deal points to fight a victorious Dillian Whyte again, but he understands that he would've gotten **** had he not even pretended to want to fight Wilder or Fury.

[Scipio2009]

He is right. Aj can't be running from a Wilder fight and at the same time begging Wilder to fight him. It's impossible because they are two opposite things. Either AJ is afraid to fight Wilder or he is begging him for a fight. It's one or the other but it can't be both.

How so?

Joshua knows that the public will **** on him for not fighting Wilder or Fury, but he's refusing to split his pot in a way to secure either fight (stepping into any boxing ring and getting punched in the face by a 200lb+ man, in and of itself, takes courage so end the "afraid" talk).

Joshua-Whyte 2 is a fight that no one is clamoring for or cares about; the only way they get close to selling out Wembley for that fight is if they can somehow convince the casual fan that Wilder and Fury refused the fight and this is then the "late replacement".

[Scipio2009]

What are Wilder's management asking for?

And how do you know Hearn is so far off what they are asking for? Do you know what Eddie is offering then?

From what's been put out into the public, a 60/40 Joshua split on the fight would've had things made in the Fall 2018 and Wilder's frustration with the moving goal posts had him wanting 50/50 or no fight after he moved on (no concrete detail but I'm fairly certain that Wilder's management could convince him to take 60/40 Joshua if that was the offer).

Eddie Hearn's highest public offer has been for $15m, but he's recently gone with a new tact of talking up that he's offered a percentage, without ever even disclosing a ballpark for what that offered percentage was (Note: Joseph Parker allegedly got 30%-33% on his Joshua fight).

The clearest sign that whatever Hearn has offered isn't much of anything to bother with is that everyone in Wilder's camp is focused elsewhere.

Nothing from Haymon (lol), nothing from Finkell, nothing from DiBella, nothing from Deas, nothing from Wilder.

Everyone is focused on the Fury rematch, with Wilder giving backhanded acknowledgement to Joshua in the near term (325k on the US PPV, who knows how many more were purchased directly from Showtime, $3.5m at the live gate, who knows how many purchased the fight on BT Sport Box Office, and the other revenue streams likely ends up with the two splitting at least $25m, with the rematch possibly doubling that).

$15m to fight on Anthony Joshua's date, in Anthony Joshua's venue, on Anthony Joshua's broadcaster, and on Anthony Joshua's US broadcaster (that relatively few have picked up) makes far less sense after making maybe $15m in the US, negotiating a fair share on everything and likely having that number double for the rematch.

[Scipio2009]

Haha, I knew the %'s would increase every time Hearn would come with a new offer. Anything to make sure the fight doesn't happen.

The Fury numbers aren't what Wilder is worth though. Wilder can only do those numbers and make some serious money outside of a Fury fight with Joshua. So if he doesn't take the deal, it's back to making peanuts again because he sure as hell isn't going anywhere near to PPV again unless he's prepared to see it all fail.

Wilder-Fury did alright on PPV, Wilder-Fury 2 will likely do better on PPV, and even if the Joshua fight doesn't happen after that, Wilder-Ortiz is viable for PPV.

Three fights into his PPV run, with each of the events being profitable, and Deontay Wilder sets in as a PPV fighter (depending on where the fight is staged; matinee/early morning fights simply won't be PPV, so anything staged in Europe/Asia).

[Scipio2009]

To become undisputed, ring magazine, lineal world heavyweight champion perhaps?

And you know Wilder is going to make more fighting Joshua in terms of money and prize than fighting Fury so cut out the spin.

It's just uncle Al Haymon keeping him away from a knockout loss until he squeezes his investment dry.

The fight is worth double, split with both guys, in the US than it is in the UK though. lol.

The acclaim of being the undisputed heavyweight champion is special, but let's not forget reality. It's pretty ****ing weird that a fighter turns down $50m guaranteed on a fight when the earth-shattering purse in his home market topped out at $45m, for both guys to split.

Wilder has zero reason to short himself a nickel at this point, so it's odd to see Joshua short himself $20m/£14.25m and his fans cheering him on to do so

[Scipio2009]

So is the argument that Joshua ducked the Wilder fight by lowballing him?

Pre Fury, Wilder was a nobody. Paper champ with nothing worthwhile on his resume and fighting in half empty venues. While Joshua fought top 10 fighters and actively sought to unify belts in massive stadium fights.

Wilder has some credibility now. Gained by being humbled by only his second credible opponent (albeit one that was on an unlikely comeback).

So Joshua is interested now. What does Wilder do? He's suddenly a big name but that will only last until the next time he fights a top 2 fighter and gets shown up.

If I were him, I'd go for the undisputed. The odds will be massively against him but I reckon he's more chance of landing a haymaker on Joshua, and Joshua is more ko-able in my opinion. Might as well go for it.

-350k buys in the US (traditional PPV channels plus the direct Showtime sales) puts basically $12m into the pot.

-350k buys on BT Sport Box Office in the UK (simply assuming that the event gets split the exact same way in the UK) puts the equivalent of another $5m into the pot [a steep lowball of the actual number, but whatever]

-Staples Center drew $3.5m at the live gate. Event sponsors, merch, concessions, etc on the even, pay the expenses, and you've likely got another $2m into the pot from the live event.

Nickel and dime out the rest of the pieces, this nobody and Tyson Fury likely cleared $30m on their fight, with the hype for their rematch making clearing $50m possible. lol

The rematch with Tyson Fury is going to be Wilder's 9th title defense, with the fight after that (be it Joshua, Breazeale, or Ortiz) being defense #10 (longevity of a reign having value too).

Folks just don't know, and it's pretty hilarious.