Comments Thread For: Sanchez: Golovkin Has 2-3 Years Left, I'd Like 5 or 6 Fights

[Real King Kong]

ok, going further on the first fight.....

Canelo was the boxer, Golovkin was the pressure fighter

ignoring/minimizing that fact..... is, ridiculous

FACT: Canelo got his game going..... he did a masterful job of boxing/controlling Golovkin, making him miss and making him pay..... most of the rounds that Canelo won, he won CLEARLY..... and even though Canelo's output dropped during the middle of the fight, some of those rounds were nip-n-tuck

Golovkin on the other hand, struggled to get his game going..... his pressure was largely ineffective for long periods in that fight, and he missed a TON of punches

Canelo landed lots of eye-catching judge-friendly punches and his defence was superb

FACT: defence IS valid scoring criteria

Canelo did a MUCH better job of boxing Golovkin in the first fight..... than Golovkin did of boxing Canelo in the rematch

Golovkin was the supposed killer, and he got tamed

like I said earlier, I think Canelo would have been better served sticking with that same gameplan in the rematch..... but focus on his activity, focus on being sharper/more accurate, and focus on tailoring the counters/combinations that worked for him in the first fight

when boxing, Canelo got his game going, and he inflicted that style on his opponent..... Golovkin also got his game going, but he struggled to be effective for long periods..... coming into his own largely due to Canelo's inactivity

in the rematch, Golovkin was completely forced to change his style..... which is fine, that is called adapting to the guy who is in front of you..... but he still got backed up, and beaten up, with EFFECTIVE aggression (more effective aggression than Golovkin displayed in the first fight)..... and he copped even more of those eye-catching judge-friendly punches that Canelo introduced him to in the first fight

sorry, but I think that Canelo did a better job of boxing Golovkin in the first fight, than Golovkin did of boxing Canelo in the rematch..... and Canelo DEFINITELY did a better job of pressuring Golovkin in the rematch than Golovkin did in the first fight

it is entirely Canelo's fault that he aint 2-0 with Golovkin..... I think Canelo can beat Golovkin any way he wants..... and is CLEARLY the better-skilled, more well-rounded, fighter

Oh...so canelo wanted to backpedal most of the fight and get pushed to the ropes, cuz that’s what a “boxer” does. Everything in both fights was happening cuz it’s what canelo wanted...I see.

I like canelo as a fighter, but he was far from convincing in either fight with ggg. He does appear to have the ability to set himself apart, but wasn’t quite able to do it...and against an older, slower less dynamic opponent too.

[Real King Kong]

the first fight was VERY close..... a draw is fine, or Golovkin slightly edging it, is fine..... that flat period in the middle rounds hurt Canelo

you need to understand something..... Canelo did a MUCH better job of boxing Golovkin in the first fight..... than Golovkin did of boxing Canelo in the rematch

in the rematch, Canelo displayed effective aggression and clean hard punching..... in the first fight, Golovkin was largely ineffective for long periods, missing a TON of punches..... getting caught with slick counters/combo's

and sorry..... pretending that you don't know what a fighter is/should be, capable of..... is just silly..... I get your point, but that is completely unrealistic





nobody said that

I said..... despite getting backed up, and despite getting beaten up (which is a telling factor for most observers) in that fight..... Golovkin could not follow his gameplan, and could not follow his corners instructions..... he was being limited/controlled by Canelo

..... oh, and he also couldn't get his "Mexican" style going either

he did not lose the fight because he shat the bed over all of that Mexican rubbish..... but like I said a number of times..... that was telling in the context of how that fight unfolded.....

it IS a factor..... nobody said it was the main factor..... the fact that Canelo displayed effective aggression and landed TONS of clean hard eye-catching judge-friendly punches is a much more important factor..... but Golovkin's inability to get his game going is also a factor in the context of that fight

FACT: Canelo got his game-going, and Golovkin did not..... Abel Sanchez admitted that, and he felt it was important enough to mention for a reason..... nobody said that is the sole reason why Canelo won

The only thing we need to be concerned with is who won rounds...all the other stuff about game plan, corner instructions, mexican style etc, doesn’t matter. Like I said, if you wanna say canelo won x rounds because of specific things in those rounds, then fine. But don’t be surprised if someone else scored some of the same close rounds for ggg.

[yankees7448]

sleazeball.....

next time you reply, remember to spank me, bltch

did you really think I wouldn't check ?

We all know Ward hadn't made 168 since 2013. We all know there were plenty of quality opponents to keep him busy at 168 if he really wanted to push the issue. GGG kept himself busy and got the Canelo fights he really wanted. Ward didn't wait. He moved up and out of reach. He got his name in the news and got the Kovalev fight as a consolation prize. Too bad he still hasn't learned how to say thank you to GGG in his native language. That would have been really classy.

[aboutfkntime]

Oh...so canelo wanted to backpedal most of the fight and get pushed to the ropes, cuz that’s what a “boxer” does. Everything in both fights was happening cuz it’s what canelo wanted...I see.

I like canelo as a fighter, but he was far from convincing in either fight with ggg. He does appear to have the ability to set himself apart, but wasn’t quite able to do it...and against an older, slower less dynamic opponent too.

he was baiting Golovkin in, obviously

you are seeing what you want to see

when Canelo backed into the ropes, why did the pressure fighter just stand there like he had no idea what to do?..... why no body-work..... why no hunting/trapping and breaking his opponent down?

come on man

you say this..... "everything in both fights was happening cuz it’s what canelo wanted"..... but when Canelo backed into the ropes, and Golovkin did NOTHING..... are you telling me that is what Golovkin wanted?

you are seeing what you want to see

#excuses
#poorexcuses

like Canelo just said..... Golovkin - and you guys - need to take your loss like a man

[aboutfkntime]

The only thing we need to be concerned with is who won rounds...all the other stuff about game plan, corner instructions, mexican style etc, doesn’t matter. Like I said, if you wanna say canelo won x rounds because of specific things in those rounds, then fine. But don’t be surprised if someone else scored some of the same close rounds for ggg.

I am not surprised

casual-fans are fkn clueless and have no idea how to score a fight

and don't think I forgot about this.....

the reason why you have not even attempted to argue that Canelo did not win effective aggression, clean hard punching, and defence..... is because he was clearly superior in those areas for most of the fight

ring generalship is all you could argue, so you did

again, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.....

the guy who.....

1) could not get his style going
2) could not follow his gameplan
3) could not follow his corners instructions
4) got backed up
5) got beaten up

..... was obviously not the ring general, and obviously did not control the fight LMAO

the reason why you have not even attempted to argue that Canelo did not win effective aggression, clean hard punching, and defence..... is because he was clearly superior in those areas for most of the fight..... AND YOU KNOW IT

and like I said..... the guy who could not make any impact with his style..... could not follow his gameplan..... could not follow his corners instructions..... got backed up..... and then got beaten up..... does not sound like much of a ring general

don't forget about effective aggression, clean hard punching, and DEFENCE!!, willya?

[aboutfkntime]

We all know Ward hadn't made 168 since 2013. We all know there were plenty of quality opponents to keep him busy at 168 if he really wanted to push the issue. GGG kept himself busy and got the Canelo fights he really wanted. Ward didn't wait. He moved up and out of reach. He got his name in the news and got the Kovalev fight as a consolation prize. Too bad he still hasn't learned how to say thank you to GGG in his native language. That would have been really classy.

lil'G should have taken his spanking like a good little Borat

after he ducked Ward, his career turned to shlt

he should have taken his beating from Ward, and then retired

that way people would still think that he is a good fighter..... after all, losing to a great fighter like Ward is nothing to be ashamed about

but after Golovkin ducked Ward, he lost to Jacobs..... got a lucky draw with Canelo..... and then got beaten up by Canelo

now the jig is up

he should have taken his beating from Ward and called it quits

now he will bank a loss to Charlo as well

[Real King Kong]

he was baiting Golovkin in, obviously

you are seeing what you want to see

when Canelo backed into the ropes, why did the pressure fighter just stand there like he had no idea what to do?..... why no body-work..... why no hunting/trapping and breaking his opponent down?

come on man

you say this..... "everything in both fights was happening cuz it’s what canelo wanted"..... but when Canelo backed into the ropes, and Golovkin did NOTHING..... are you telling me that is what Golovkin wanted?

you are seeing what you want to see

#excuses
#poorexcuses

like Canelo just said..... Golovkin - and you guys - need to take your loss like a man

If you think he was just baiting him every time he moved back, then I guess you’re seeing what you want to see. If that was all a ploy, and it was in fact his game plan, he was no where near busy enough to win the fight. Canelo was lucky to get a draw the first fight.

You seem to be a bit emotional about this...accusing everyone of making excuses, saying take the loss like a man etc. Is it a win for you? Were you in the ring?lol. I’m just discussing fights here...I have no attachment to these guys, so save the fanboy bs. If your ultimate goal here is to turn this into some type of personal victory, there’s nothing left to discuss.

[Real King Kong]

I am not surprised

casual-fans are fkn clueless and have no idea how to score a fight

and don't think I forgot about this.....





the reason why you have not even attempted to argue that Canelo did not win effective aggression, clean hard punching, and defence..... is because he was clearly superior in those areas for most of the fight..... AND YOU KNOW IT

and like I said..... the guy who could not make any impact with his style..... could not follow his gameplan..... could not follow his corners instructions..... got backed up..... and then got beaten up..... does not sound like much of a ring general

don't forget about effective aggression, clean hard punching, and DEFENCE!!, willya?

What exactly makes you more than a casual fan? Let me know. Have you trained/competed in the sport? Or is there a certain amount of watching other people do something that makes someone “hardcore”. I mean, following a sport is one thing, but you act like you have functional knowledge of the sport and seem to like to post from some position of authority. So enlighten me on what sets you apart.

As far as the fights goes, you keep repeating the same stuff, which are valid opinions, but like I said, unless you wanna break down each round and score the fight, the conversation is kinda pointless. And I don’t really care if you don’t, cuz I already acknowledge the validity of a canelo scorecard. I personally think a draw is fair, but both guys did enough good work to make the case for winning imo. If your agenda is to go on and on about canelo winning cuz you think I’m some ggg fanboy and it’s pissing me off, go find someone else lol.

[joseph5620]

5-6 fights is generous. Golovkin is clearly on the decline.

[aboutfkntime]

If you think he was just baiting him every time he moved back, then I guess you’re seeing what you want to see. If that was all a ploy, and it was in fact his game plan, he was no where near busy enough to win the fight. Canelo was lucky to get a draw the first fight.

You seem to be a bit emotional about this...accusing everyone of making excuses, saying take the loss like a man etc. Is it a win for you? Were you in the ring?lol. I’m just discussing fights here...I have no attachment to these guys, so save the fanboy bs. If your ultimate goal here is to turn this into some type of personal victory, there’s nothing left to discuss.

he was OBVIOUSLY taking a breather

Q. why did he continue doing that ?

A. because the ropes were as safe as Fort Knox, no danger there

he baited Golovkin, on numerous occasions

when Canelo backed into the ropes, why did the pressure fighter just stand there like he had no idea what to do?..... why no body-work..... why no hunting/trapping and breaking his opponent down?

most un-Golovkin-like

I know why and so do you