So when joyce knocks out ortiz is he an elite heavyweight?

[boliodogs]

You mean IF because he has not defeated Ortiz yet and maybe Ortiz beats him. Ortiz is top 5 now but not elite because the best fighter he beat was Jennings who is ranked 12th and he was KOed by Wilder. Joyce KOing Ortiz would be a great win and a good first step toward becoming elite but it doesn't make him elite because Ortiz is not elite. I think only AJ, Wilder and Fury are elite boxers at heavyweight and then just barely. Heavyweight is a weak weight class now in my opinion no matter how heavy and fat many heavyweights are today.

[Larry the boss]

Larry, there is no need for you to start crying because he assumed your darling Ortiz will be KOed by a JJ.
Relax man, relax.

My darling Ortiz?? wtf?

[Mindgames]

I remember the days on here when Ortiz was an elite HW killer who Wilder was ducking. That's when he was with GB and Hearn. As soon as he signed to PBC he became an over rated bum who never beat anyone. In contrast, Jacobs became some killer after signing with Hearn and HBO even though he had never beaten any fighter other that Kid Chocolate. BUt when he was with Haymon and Showtime Jacobs was a glass chinned bum.

I dont remember Ortiz beating anyone but Jennings, who couldnt punch. Who did Jennings beat again? I remember Ortiz failing drug tests. I remember him looking slow and ancient against Malik Scott and Dave Allen. Now Joyce will roll right over him, and Wilder fans will say Deontay ruined him, when in fact there was nothing left to ruin when he either came off PEDs or developed high blood pressure, the choice is yours on which it was 😂

[John Locke]

I'm a fan of The Juggernaut, he's a dangerous man. He's going straight for a top 5 heavyweight having not fought anything close to a top 10 contender yet, with that being said I am picking him to rise to the occasion and slay King Kong. That's a hellova fight.

[Stinger1]

No. If Joyce beats him it will be because he isn't the same fighter after being knocked out by Wilder.

[SN!PER]

Well you gotta admit he did take a savage beating from Wilder.

He's still good, but he looked kinda slow in his fight against Kaufmann.

If any fighters want to get credit for beating him, do it in the next two years.

[KillaMane26]

Yeah anybody would get alot credit for beating Ortiz unless your Wilder....Then of course they gonna say he 90 years old!

[Boxing Goat]

People saying joshua has to beat the elite ortiz to prove himself. And ortiz is generally talked about as a fearsome world class heavyweight .So when juggernaut joyce beats ortiz im assuming that puts him as an elite heavyweight? Or are excuses going to be made?

I would say the top 5 heavies are elite in the division

[LetOutTheCage]

People saying joshua has to beat the elite ortiz to prove himself. And ortiz is generally talked about as a fearsome world class heavyweight .So when juggernaut joyce beats ortiz im assuming that puts him as an elite heavyweight? Or are excuses going to be made?

Yeah those guys are morons, adding another hurdle to an AJ vs Wilder fight is silly. It's like saying Wilder needs to fight Why he in order to prove himself. None of these current heavyweights are elite but I think it's quite clear now that the likes of Ortiz, Whyte and Parker etc are under Fury, AJ and Wilder in the pecking order

[Laligalaliga]

My darling Ortiz?? wtf?

Yeah, I said your darling ortiz. You one of the nigqas that sucks his balls.
Never mind I have no problems with that.