So when joyce knocks out ortiz is he an elite heavyweight?

[Madison Boxing]

People saying joshua has to beat the elite ortiz to prove himself. And ortiz is generally talked about as a fearsome world class heavyweight .So when juggernaut joyce beats ortiz im assuming that puts him as an elite heavyweight? Or are excuses going to be made?

[SN!PER]

Yes, as long as he beats him fairly and Luis doesn't lose due to an injury like Glazkov did against Charles Martin.

[niceyboo3]

It doesn't work that way. That would make Buster Douglas elite

[DuckAdonis]

If he KO's Ortiz I would consider him top 5 for sure

[pillowfists98]

Absolutely he would be considered elite. I think this is a really interesting matchup. Ortiz has the better skills but Joyce is a very hard puncher with the superior gas tank.

[Kaspa9t9]

No way in hell is that gonna happen.

[Larry the boss]

Why are you always complaining or crying about something man?? Seriously why can you not just appreciate boxing?? If Joyce beats Ortiz it is a damn good win but he has to actually do it first

[Phenom]

Joyce not fighting Ortiz next year just listen to what Sanchez said

[pittapatta66]

Why are you always complaining or crying about something man?? Seriously why can you not just appreciate boxing??

So basically he's the yt boi version of you

Dramashow you should change your name to 'CAC larryxxx'

[KingHippo]

Anybody who beats Ortiz will get respect from any true boxing fan.