Comments Thread For: Wilder: It's Only Right To Give Fury Rematch As Soon As Possible

[_Rexy_]

Yeah I personally think he has been carefully managed up to the Ortiz fight, but a lot of guys are carefully managed. And now that he is ready I feel like he, as you pointed out, is taking on challengers that a lot of others would avoid. I give him props as a fighter and he has made me into somewhat of a fan. Hope he gets good money in the Joshua fight and knocks AJ out.

He was carefully managed, but not up to that point. After a while they were trying to get fights and couldn’t. Double edged sword being carefully managed, people see your highlights tape and want no part lol

Parker was at the Washington fight, they were going to unify after Wilder/Washington. Parker pulled a Bellew and went “ah he’s Scary in person” lmao

[champion4ever]

Right there my friends is what I am talking about; Spoken like a true champion. It's all about the best challenging the best. Deontay is giving us fights fans the fights that we want to see unlike AJ's "Train to become boxers yourselves and then fight Deontay Wilder;" Which was spoken like a real bitch.

[chicken-]

Of course Wilder wants to fight again. Getting out boxed is not as bad as potentially getting koed by AJ.

And I think Wilder could KO Fury the 2nd time around. Fury is brilliant, and would be the favorite to win, of course. But defensively he only moves in straight lines. Straight back. Its effective enough due to how big and nimble for his size he is.

But when he was forced against the ropes and had to move laterally, Wilder did not know what to do. Wilders super wide stance, makes lateral movement very very effective.

Wilder timed Fury in the 12th. In a rematch, it would again only take one time to catch him. I think Wilder would only do better, tbh.

AJ has no head movement and puts his arms out like frankenstein when he gets hit. I think AJ has just as much chance of getting knocked out. Fury is by far the superior boxer and he barely survived. AJ has nothing over Fury besides power.

[Bronx2245]

I don’t see the flat fee as a way for them to weasel out of the fight. It was a tad disrespectful but I honestly thought they were lowballing him and trying to maximise profits for themselves. I will say it didn’t matter what money was offered for Joshua to fight in the states he wanted home comforts. Some may see that as being scared but if his sole goal is to beat Wilder fighting him in the U.K. is key to his chances.

If Fury held the WBC belt I would want Fury to fight Joshua . However, as Wilder still holds his belt it has to be Joshua vs Wilder. The Fury fight has diminished the way Wilder is viewed because if Joshua beats wilder in April what do you think the media and fans will still say?

The media and the fans will say Joshua had a choice between Wilder and Fury, and Fury beat Wilder, Fury is the lineal champion, and Fury is from the UK, so why did Joshua choose Wilder? Saying "Wilder has the belt," is not going to work!

"Low-balling" is deliberately done to avoid making fights! Either you're not being "brutally honest," or you're very naïve!

[Noelanthony]

I feel Fury outboxed Wilder over the last 6 rounds, but the two KDs Wilder landed nullified Fury's round by round superiority.

The first 6 rounds there was hardly anything between Wilder and Fury. Fury posturing and landing 5 pitty pat punches to Wilder's 4 bigger punches in any given round does not a boxing clinic make.

I point out the stuff in the last paragraph because I don't think Wilder is as bad a boxer as people make him out to be. If he was, two great boxers, Fury and Ortiz, would have boxed his ears off and knocked him out. They boxed well against him, but Wilder obviously does some things very well besides throwing the right hand.

Even if all he has is the right hand to keep guys honest, it doesn't really matter. If he really ****** Fury and Ortiz would have KOed him and they didn't. I think they both outboxed him but Wilder also knocked them down 5 times in 22 rounds. And I think those guys are a little tougher than AJ, imo. If AJ gets caught I don't know if he gets back up.

Fair enough but Fury is incapable of knocking out Pianeta so I didn’t fancy him knocking out Wilder. The first 6 rounds it depends what you like. I preferred Fury because he was making Wilder miss with every meaningful punch and touching him with his jab. Sure he was not hurting Wilder but it painted a theme. He was making Wilder look amateurish. He looked like he was having fun and Wilder was becoming frustrated even though he was never in trouble. A boxer is scored for Defence and making an opponent miss which is why I scored many of the early round for Fury. If Wilder was touching Fury early with his aggression then I may have looked at him favourably but he wasn’t

[Noelanthony]

The media and the fans will say Joshua had a choice between Wilder and Fury, and Fury beat Wilder, Fury is the lineal champion, and Fury is from the UK, so why did Joshua choose Wilder? Saying "Wilder has the belt," is not going to work!

"Low-balling" is deliberately done to avoid making fights! Either you're not being "brutally honest," or you're very naïve!

Not at all I low ball everyday in order to maximise profits for myself . I love negotiating and more importantly I love money and I think promoters share my same outlook

[Sledgeweather17]

Exactly and thats why Wilder wants it as soon as possible. Espinoza says its possible only in May/June but Wilder wants it in March/April. These extra 2 months will favour Fury who will be at 80% on fight night. Thats enough to beat Wilder again without getting dropped.

You're an idiot! Activity makes a fighter sharper, not inactivity. What kind of idiot do you gotta be to spew this ish?

Plus Wilder is used to fighting three to four times a year when fully fit, this year I think he only fought twice and I think he doesn't want that inactivity again.

[Boxing-1013]

He was carefully managed, but not up to that point. After a while they were trying to get fights and couldn’t. Double edged sword being carefully managed, people see your highlights tape and want no part lol

Parker was at the Washington fight, they were going to unify after Wilder/Washington. Parker pulled a Bellew and went “ah he’s Scary in person” lmao

I agree that for a long time Wilder has been a high-risk, low-reward guy, so that will always make it tough to get fights. With him having a belt for the last few years, that always helps to get fights. But facing him is not the same risk as facing a guy who will just outbox you; he could really hurt you so that is always going to have people shy away, especially if the money is not significant.

I take your word for it on the Parker situation. I know Bellew said something like that. Personally for me the Povetkin and Ortiz situations with Wilder always rubbed me the wrong way. I know Povetkin tested positive for something, but I was really looking forward to that fight, and the timing of the positive test remains dubious to me. I personally would not be surprised if 50% of the top level guys are juicing, and I am not saying Wilder needed to go through with that fight.

But he hopped on the first plane out of town right away after the test announcement, which basically forced the WBC's hand to cancel the fight. In terms of PEDS, I think meldonium is a rather low level one, so I would have liked to see Wilder (who at that time was definitely being billed as the baddest man in the division) say '**** it, I'll knock him out anyway.' Again it was a complicated scenario with shades of gray, but I just feel Wilder was happy to have a way out of that fight, at that time.

With Ortiz I feel like Ortiz wanted that fight for a couple years before it happened, and then he got popped for PEDs as well. It was just all su****ious to me. I think it is very likely Ortiz was abusing PEDs, and in that case it would make sense for Wilder and his team to be rigorous with testing. But the fact that the Ortiz and Povetkin fights fell through, and the best fights he could come up with after that were Arreola, Washington and Stiverne 2. I mean I just felt he had to find a way to step up the competition. I was legit starting to feel like Haymon had someone on the payroll at Vada to make sure the tests came back a certain way for guys facing Wilder lol.

And then also the Stiverne (1) and Washington fights as well. I just can't believe the Stiverne fight went longer than a few rounds. And I know he was coming off the hand injury against Washington, but I thought he was down a pretty clear 4-0 before the stoppage, and Washington is not even a top 15-20 guy as far as boxing ability at heavyweight.

So with all of that I have always questioned Wilder's level. But I think the last two fights have shown he has really improved, imo.

[Boxing-1013]

Fair enough but Fury is incapable of knocking out Pianeta so I didn’t fancy him knocking out Wilder. The first 6 rounds it depends what you like. I preferred Fury because he was making Wilder miss with every meaningful punch and touching him with his jab. Sure he was not hurting Wilder but it painted a theme. He was making Wilder look amateurish. He looked like he was having fun and Wilder was becoming frustrated even though he was never in trouble. A boxer is scored for Defence and making an opponent miss which is why I scored many of the early round for Fury. If Wilder was touching Fury early with his aggression then I may have looked at him favourably but he wasn’t

I hear ya. I always like watching the fights with no sound on. I just didn't see much between them in the first 6 rounds. Wilder did have some swings and misses but he never really gets caught when he swings wildly, so I think it is part of his approach in a way, to create space and control distance/range.

I personally did not see Wilder looking that bad in the first half of the fight, and even for the whole fight really. Fury to me looked very tentative early on and Wilder was the aggressor as well. Fury did not look very comfortable to me. I thought he nullified a lot of Wilder's power but I personally felt he was surviving early on rather than schooling anyone. Obviously he is a really skilled tough fighter, so I think he can make surviving look pretty good. But to me he clearly felt Wilder's presence in there.

[_Rexy_]

I agree that for a long time Wilder has been a high-risk, low-reward guy, so that will always make it tough to get fights. With him having a belt for the last few years, that always helps to get fights. But facing him is not the same risk as facing a guy who will just outbox you; he could really hurt you so that is always going to have people shy away, especially if the money is not significant.

I take your word for it on the Parker situation. I know Bellew said something like that. Personally for me the Povetkin and Ortiz situations with Wilder always rubbed me the wrong way. I know Povetkin tested positive for something, but I was really looking forward to that fight, and the timing of the positive test remains dubious to me. I personally would not be surprised if 50% of the top level guys are juicing, and I am not saying Wilder needed to go through with that fight.

But he hopped on the first plane out of town right away after the test announcement, which basically forced the WBC's hand to cancel the fight. In terms of PEDS, I think meldonium is a rather low level one, so I would have liked to see Wilder (who at that time was definitely being billed as the baddest man in the division) say '**** it, I'll knock him out anyway.' Again it was a complicated scenario with shades of gray, but I just feel Wilder was happy to have a way out of that fight, at that time.

With Ortiz I feel like Ortiz wanted that fight for a couple years before it happened, and then he got popped for PEDs as well. It was just all su****ious to me. I think it is very likely Ortiz was abusing PEDs, and in that case it would make sense for Wilder and his team to be rigorous with testing. But the fact that the Ortiz and Povetkin fights fell through, and the best fights he could come up with after that were Arreola, Washington and Stiverne 2. I mean I just felt he had to find a way to step up the competition. I was legit starting to feel like Haymon had someone on the payroll at Vada to make sure the tests came back a certain way for guys facing Wilder lol.

And then also the Stiverne (1) and Washington fights as well. I just can't believe the Stiverne fight went longer than a few rounds. And I know he was coming off the hand injury against Washington, but I thought he was down a pretty clear 4-0 before the stoppage, and Washington is not even a top 15-20 guy as far as boxing ability at heavyweight.

So with all of that I have always questioned Wilder's level. But I think the last two fights have shown he has really improved, imo.

The Povetkin thing was his own fault. Pretty sure it was the third? Time he pissed hot in his career? And that was after Wilder was supposed to fight Povetkin earlier and Pov had the fight delayed because he wanted to defend his Silver belt instead of taking a world title shot (who the hell does that?)
With Ortiz the fight also got cancelled when he pissed hot, but Wilder gave another chance/put the fight back on when it came out that it was for blood pressure meds.

As for the Parker thing, in the interview I read it was when wilder and Joshua were on better teens it seems, Wilder was mad at Parker for pulling out and he said “end of the day it doesn’t matter if I get his belt, or he goes and fights Joshua and Joshua gets his belt. The fight will eventually be me and Joshua”

Also, since you remembered that the washjngto fight was his return from a broken hand, remember that he broke it IN the Stiverne fight haha.