Is Wilder the most unique HW in history?

[BWC]

I have been saying this for ages. He is a better technician IMHO, he has just left the basics behind due to falling in love with his power.

The last fighter that i could remember doing this was Prince Naz, who became so obsess with his power that he forgot/abandon all the basic things that got him there.

I've always maintained that Wilder is a guy who always fails the eye test on TV but the fight stats always tell a different story. It doesn't surprise me at all that most people think Fury badly outboxed Wilder on Saturday and he did in stretches. But you look at the scores of those ringside and the punch stats and you realize how close the fight really was. Wilder always looks like he's behind when he gets the KO but the reality he's been up on the cards for nearly every KO he's had including Ortiz.

He has a stiff jab that is effective against 99% of opponents, and has excellent timing on his right hand. He's incorporating his left hook more and more.

I'd say he's a puncher with underappreciated boxing skills. The only beef I have with Wilder is he gets sloppy when he has his man hurt but that makes for some exciting finishes so I can't complain too much..

[Marchegiano]

I am glad somebody else finally made this comparison.

Yes, they are different physically and therefore have different approaches in the ring.

But they DO share some important things, things that make it more than just a passing side by side.

They both are usually not as skilled as their opponent.

They both enter the ring in great condition.

They both have great power that they carry late into a fight.

They both have very good chins, get hit yet stay dangerous.

They both have an ability to will themselves to perform.

Good post.

Thanks bud.

Some people refuse to give Wilder any credit at all but he is pretty clearly a mix of Marciano and Foreman. He uses George's posture and position game and Marciano's bait and line of sight game. Notice in my sig the big black fella that ain't Wilder looking a lot like Wilder?

That sig happens to be Foreman in his 39th fight and Wilder in his 38th.

George did the same thing with his feet. They're not in position to deliver that big of a blow and so when he throws it the punch drags him a bit. George did it for the same reason Wilder does, it's part of his posture/position game. Using his height to his advantage.

It is crazy to me how little credit Wilder is given for reperforming George and Rock's techniques at such a high level, but in a way it is fitting because Deontay Wilder also carries the same criticisms they used to hurl at Marciano.

[Marchegiano]

Clearly never spent a day in the gym and you're laughing at me ?, if you're such a student of the sport go and analyze any top boxers and tell me what position their feet are facing then come back to me, it wasn't a question I'm telling you that you are off balance if you're feet are in that position. In your gif you show Wilder throwing himself completely off balance and George Foreman throwing a wide punch then going back into stance but he doesn't throw himself completely off balance because of his footwork.

It's so much more difficult to move that way.

It's the very very basics of boxing.

Put your feet at a right angle and tell me you can move to your left or right and that you're as in balance as you would be if you actually knew your fundamentals.

In my sig Foreman steps when i say he'd need to to counter the balance shift.

I realize you picked up a tidbit. I realize you think your tidbit explains this deficit. You are wrong. He steps late. I'm not saying you are wrong about proper form, just that what you're claiming doesn't apply here. Yes his feet are pointed poorly and yes this does cause balance issues, no this is not an example of one.

There is a step involved son. Either the kid makes the step or he doesn't. He is making the step he's just late. It's got nothing to do with having a poorly balanced stance making it difficult for him to step and everything to do with when he steps.

I didn't laugh at you I laughed at the idea that his toes being pointed stops him from making steps he clearly makes. It's a timing thing kiddo, Wilder is taking the step I am claiming he needs to he's just doing it late. Look at all those steps he took before he fell while trying to catch his feet up to his momentum. What you're talking about has nothing to do with that.


You don't want to actually compare credentials with me bubba. You spend some time in some gym did you? Cute. Yes I am accredited enough to regard that level of authority as cute and yes I can prove it so how about we drop the personal attacks against one another's authority and respect having a different view on the matter?

Edit- I don't feel like I made the laughing point very well. What I meant is I thought it was something you missed and we'd laugh at it together. It wasn't meant to be insulting.

[Heru]

Elite height? Elite reach? What are you talking about? You can't call these things elite. Was valuev elite? What about Ustinov?

Of course, I can call those things elite. They're attributes factoring into the fighter's ability and factor into every fight. They're actually the easiest attributes to judge because they're tangible.

Valuev and Ustinov had/have elite size (height, weight, reach) for the HW division, but they weren't elite fighters because of their deficiency in other areas.

[MONGOOSE66]

Wilder isn’t anything special YET. If Manny was around. He would of been.