The issue here is 10-8 scoring not judging

[ruedboy]

The issue is the fact that judging a fight is a totally subjective thing. Even though there are criteria for the judges to follow, in effect a judge can score a fight any way they want, with no explanation of their decision.
In addition, you have the fact that the promoter usually brings the ref and three judges to the fight three or four days ahead of time and comps them for all expenses in effect giving them a paid vacation.
This results in a situation where the only fair result in boxing is the KO, where the fighter takes the result out of the judges' hands.

[_Rexy_]

Scoring in general needs to be reworked, but yea I could see this being one of the ways its reworked although I think there is far more problematic issues with scoring then KD's are causing. For example the fact 10-10 rounds are discouraged & a closely won round & a widely w/o being dominant round are both 10-9. Thats ******ed.

Thats what's always bothered me. no tie rounds, so you can give a 10-9 over the smallest difference, then the next round the other guy dominates, and on the cards it's a tie fight.

[slimshandy69]

The issue is the fact that judging a fight is a totally subjective thing. Even though there are criteria for the judges to follow, in effect a judge can score a fight any way they want, with no explanation of their decision.
In addition, you have the fact that the promoter usually brings the ref and three judges to the fight three or four days ahead of time and comps them for all expenses in effect giving them a paid vacation.
This results in a situation where the only fair result in boxing is the KO, where the fighter takes the result out of the judges' hands.

Judges should definitely have notes on why they scored how they did. So it can be scrutinized more.

[D4thincarnation]

That's an issue with the judging.

If a fighter comeback like that and was winning the round before the KD, they can score it 10-9 or even 10-10.



As with Pacquiao vs Mosley, where the ref called a knockdown.

[Amber_TKO]

I don't think there's a problem with the scoring system, the problem is with the judges implementing it correctly. There's nothing to stop judges from scoring 10-10 rounds, but usually they don't. There's nothing to stop judges from not automatically scoring a knockdown round 10-8, but usually they don't. I could go on but maybe we need to educate judges on the scoring system better?

[Kezzer]

I think 10 8 is fair, everyone knows how it is scored. It wasn’t that which decided it, the judge who had wilder winning first 5 rounds?? That was the decider

[_Rexy_]

That's an issue with the judging.

If a fighter comeback like that and was winning the round before the KD, they can score it 10-9 or even 10-10.



As with Pacquiao vs Mosley, where the ref called a knockdown.

that's incredibly rare though, and saved for when a guy gets off the canvas to dominate after.

[jglvz256]

I don't think there's a problem with the scoring system, the problem is with the judges implementing it correctly. There's nothing to stop judges from scoring 10-10 rounds, but usually they don't. There's nothing to stop judges from not automatically scoring a knockdown round 10-8, but usually they don't. I could go on but maybe we need to educate judges on the scoring system better?

Or maybe the new rule in UFC now where only close rounds are 10-9 and a judge can give 10-8 or 10-7 for a dominant round. Just 1 point every time for winning a no-kd round doesn't give much flexibility.

[Eff Pandas]

There's nothing to stop judges from scoring 10-10 rounds, but usually they don't.

Thats not true. Various commissions consider it bad judging to score rounds even.

[billeau2]

I've lost bets here on Kovalev Ward, ggg Canelo 2 and now this.

Although the Mexican judge was poor, I do not hate on the draw as he had to give a 10 8 round twice. Si 2 more rounds and its a draw. The issue here is that a lot of 10 8 rounds should be 10 9.

Take round 9in this fight and take Round 5 in Joshua Klitscko. Both rounds were 10 9 as the fighters that got knocked down actually dominate the round.

Should they look into knockdown scoring alot more and stop giving 10 8 like confetti.

Thoughts

Two comments:

Great point Green K worthy!

Unfortunately when it comes to judging issues? It is like getting stabbed in the throat bleeding out, and finding a great treatment for the cut to the arm...

This is about moneyed interests, the lines can't lose in Vegas any more, too much cash involved. It is corruption.