Comments Thread For: Wilder Weighs In Even Lower Than For Ortiz Fight; Fury 256.5

[EasternEuroFan]

Ortiz can't get anyone to fight him.

Whyte don't want it, Joshua don't want it, Breazeale don't want it. Just Wilder.

By the way, Ortiz totally obliterated Cojanu, who took Parker the 12 round distance.

And who has Fury really beaten besides an immobile, shot Wlad? Chisora?

Nobody said Fury's resume is great but it's better than Wilder's by a distance.

To be honest though, Chisora has better wins on his record than Ortiz does. Nobody can even dispute that. Let's not forget, Chisora dealt with a younger unbeaten Malik Scott easily. Ortiz couldn't even find him.

Don't get me wrong, i think Ortiz is pretty good but he's not a top fighter at all and has never proven to be one. If your second best win is a 12 round borefest with Malik Scott, it's not a good sign.

I'm just a realist. I don't play fantasy boxing. I believe in fighters that prove themselves.

[Toffee]

Ortiz can't get anyone to fight him.

Whyte don't want it, Joshua don't want it, Breazeale don't want it. Just Wilder.

By the way, Ortiz totally obliterated Cojanu, who took Parker the 12 round distance.

And who has Fury really beaten besides an immobile, shot Wlad? Chisora?

That's the point. Fury has just one big name on his record... But it's a big man with an excellent record. There no debate over Klitschko's credibility.

Wilder doesn't have that. Hasn't fought a top big man. Hasn't fought anyone with undoubted credibility. He needs this fight just to prove he's a legitimate champion.

[Toffee]

Force = mass*acceleration if you want the exact nerdy formula, there's a sweet spot personal to each fighter where the have enough muscle to move you weight at it's fastest speed to get the most force in your punch Wilder seems to be at a lower weight. AJ in his fight vs Takam is an example of having too much weight for your muscles to be able to move fast enough plus more muscle use more energy so you gas quicker.

The only main benefit Wilder if he's already in his sweet spot that he could have by gaining muscle is just to support Fury's weight and push him of.

There's another element... how much you put into it. I drive a golf ball best when I swing at about 80%. Beyond that I lose my precision, balance and control.

Wilder throws at his maximum when he can choose the range. I don't think he can do that against Fury. He'll be reaching up and out... if he swings for the fences there's a big chance he misses and gets ******.

If that's the case, then the extra bit of strength to hold up Fury would be useful wouldn't it?

[Joe Beamish]

It's fun to see people talking about Fury as if the absurd weight gain, ******* thing never happened.

I'm not sure I'd favor Fury vs. Wilder even if it DIDN'T happen. But you don't come back from that remotely the same.

[JWHardin]

Nobody said Fury's resume is great but it's better than Wilder's by a distance.

To be honest though, Chisora has better wins on his record than Ortiz does. Nobody can even dispute that. Let's not forget, Chisora dealt with a younger unbeaten Malik Scott easily. Ortiz couldn't even find him.

Don't get me wrong, i think Ortiz is pretty good but he's not a top fighter at all and has never proven to be one. If your second best win is a 12 round borefest with Malik Scott, it's not a good sign.

I'm just a realist. I don't play fantasy boxing. I believe in fighters that prove themselves.

A Realist would mention that the stoppage of Scott vs Chisora was totally bogus. Counted out at 9. All Scott did vs Ortiz was run. Ortiz KO'd Jennings when Wlad couldn't. The same goes for the last guy he fought, that Parker couldn't KO. Ortiz is definitely better than Whyte or Chisora, but doubt if Hearn will let it happen.

[MrRolltide91]

Wilder has been getting lighter and lighter

[EasternEuroFan]

A Realist would mention that the stoppage of Scott vs Chisora was totally bogus. Counted out at 9. All Scott did vs Ortiz was run. Ortiz KO'd Jennings when Wlad couldn't. The same goes for the last guy he fought, that Parker couldn't KO. Ortiz is definitely better than Whyte or Chisora, but doubt if Hearn will let it happen.

Just accept it that Wilder's best win is with a guy that struggled with Malik Scott

[Dramacyde]

You guys underestimate Wilders hand speed, I've been to 3 of his fights at Barclays, when you see the speed of his hands in person not tv you can understand what I'm saying

[Jax teller]

There's another element... how much you put into it. I drive a golf ball best when I swing at about 80%. Beyond that I lose my precision, balance and control.

Wilder throws at his maximum when he can choose the range. I don't think he can do that against Fury. He'll be reaching up and out... if he swings for the fences there's a big chance he misses and gets ******.

If that's the case, then the extra bit of strength to hold up Fury would be useful wouldn't it?

How much you put into it is just your choice of acceleration which may affect accuracy/timing like you suggest but you're still generating the same force if you get what I mean hitting the target is more to do with your brain.

I think I did say that any extra muscle Wilder gained would benefited him in moving and supporting Fury's weight there's a sacrifice he'll have had to have made in regards to the force of his punch or his ability to not be bullied around by Fury.

Part of me is thinking about the saying "there's weight classes for a reason" saying as the difference between the two would be a couple classes at least. But then Fury's coming of a taxing hiatus with drugs and weight gain. This fight is compelling/competive for the wrong reasons, they're both lacking.

[Joe Beamish]

You guys underestimate Wilders hand speed, I've been to 3 of his fights at Barclays, when you see the speed of his hands in person not tv you can understand what I'm saying

I can tell just by watching video. I just looked at the Fury/Klitschko fight again, and those dudes are slow AF. I mean, Klit is telegraphing the few punches he throws.

Wilder just explodes, this way and that way, at any interstitial ho-hum moment. There is NO way that Fury is going avoid getting blasted hard.

Wilder is going to be taking out the trash. It will be ugly and beautiful.