Has your perception of DAZN changed since it was launched?

[NEETzsche]

WBSS is great for the HARDCORES. But make no mistake, the WBSS isn't adding many casual subscribers. Even if they were given the type of money HEARN was, what makes you think they would have signed the big names? Do the big names even want to participate in a tourney? That's why weight classes with lesser names are the ones in it. None of the "glamour" divisions are participating in it.

They were pretty successful at securing the best fighters at cruiserweight and bantamweight simply because they could pay the fighters more than they could get elsewhere. With a ridiculous budget like Hearn's they could extend that to the more glamorous divisions. They won't get everyone at first but as long as it stays funded it will gain prestige with time and maybe one day it could realise Sauerland's dream of becoming the Champion's League of boxing. Say what you will about him but he's the only man in boxing sincerely trying to make the best fight the best

[KTFOKING]

Just on your point re triple G.

The point of this thread was about DAZN not Eddie Hearn. So if triple G signs with DAZN rather than Eddie Hearn the net effect should Be similar, potentially even more beneficial if event if even more dates? YOur response does seem quite typical though in that some Americans have a relationship issue with Eddie and allow them to cloud their judgement on whether they want DAZN or not? Now that is something to consider re the marketing’s of course going forward - should Eddie allow someone else to be the front man for matchroom USA and lead it from the social media aspect for instance ?

Typical of what exactly? I figured you were talking about what Hearn needed to do.

As for DAZN? Of course, the more bigger names the better. This is the short-term market they have to kill until they go after bigger sports rights.

And I don't let anything cloud my judgement. I already mentioned I subscribed to DAZN the day it was made available. I already stated I am satisfied with the product. The stream quality is great and much smoother than ESPN+, and the WBSS is awesome.

There is really no need to let anyone else lead Matchroom USA. For what? If he isn't able to attract the bigger names, then DAZN will just eventually adjust the budget and give some of Hearn's budget to GBP and/or Loeffler.

Hearn just has to be careful that he isn't taking too much on too soon. Dude is supposed to be the front man for DAZN-Italy, DAZN-Canada, DAZN-Germany etc. When you are doing so many things at once, your product tends to decline. I mean how can we put as much to the UK and USA ventures when he has so many other dates/countries to worry about? Seems like DAZN is very comfortable with Hearn and they have a built in relationship already being in London and having their headquarters close to each other I believe. Doesn't mean that is always the best for business though.

[KTFOKING]

They were pretty successful at securing the best fighters at cruiserweight and bantamweight simply because they could pay the fighters more than they could get elsewhere. With a ridiculous budget like Hearn's they could extend that to the more glamorous divisions. They won't get everyone at first but as long as it stays funded it will gain prestige with time and maybe one day it could realise Sauerland's dream of becoming the Champion's League of boxing. Say what you will about him but he's the only man in boxing sincerely trying to make the best fight the best

You just said it, cruiserweights and bantaweights. Again, two non-money divisions. Are they getting the MWs? Or HWs? Or WWs? No, and there is reason for that. They aren't even going to target those weight classes because they know it is a waste of time. Try getting the LW division when Mikey was there with Lomachenko to see if those two enter the tournament. Spoiler alert, they wouldn't enter the tournament. Why? Because their promoters/advisors already have TV deals and wouldn't send them away for the tournament. Hence why TR didn't let Jose Ramirez join the 140 tournament.

[Lion81]

You forgot one- My opinion changed after they made Canelo the $365 million dollar man. I signed up shortly after.

Was not going to sign previously before that.

[NEETzsche]

You just said it, cruiserweights and bantaweights. Again, two non-money divisions. Are they getting the MWs? Or HWs? Or WWs? No, and there is reason for that. They aren't even going to target those weight classes because they know it is a waste of time. Try getting the LW division when Mikey was there with Lomachenko to see if those two enter the tournament. Spoiler alert, they wouldn't enter the tournament. Why? Because their promoters/advisors already have TV deals and wouldn't send them away for the tournament. Hence why TR didn't let Jose Ramirez join the 140 tournament.

That's with their current budget. With Hearn's budget they could outbid anyone. At some point it becomes bad business sense not to let your fighters participate when you get 10% (or whatever) from their purses and they're only away from you for a year at most. The WBSS model steps on fewer toes than a regular promotion like Matchroom USA

[Lion81]

Yea I think GBP will do better with getting fans amped then Matchroom has. If DAZN is smart it wouldn't be a bad deal to just give Hearn all the non-US parts of DAZN & have GBP be the main player on the US side. Thats how I feel like its gonna end up anyway cuz Oscar knows what people in the US want better than Eddie.

They should split it up that way, I agree.

I like Eddie, but the vibe is all wrong and foreign.

I feel Golden Boy understands how to present a boxing match to Americans. Looking forward to their shows.

In the end, my desire to watch boxing surpasses my need to nitpick so I'll be keeping DAZN and ESPN+. Really enjoyed watching Miller and Gabe Rosado this past week or so.

In the end, it's nice to know that there will be some boxing for me on a consistent basis each month as I usually would go months without any action. That feeling is worth the $15 bucks for me.

[mp1110]

Golden Boy and Matchroom USA aren't going to deliver content worth paying for 12 months a year. People will jump on/off, which will make it even more difficult for DAZN to recoup what they're putting into boxing.

[KTFOKING]

That's with their current budget. With Hearn's budget they could outbid anyone. At some point it becomes bad business sense not to let your fighters participate when you get 10% (or whatever) from their purses and they're only away from you for a year at most. The WBSS model steps on fewer toes than a regular promotion like Matchroom USA

What difference is that from Hearn having all this money? The money Sauerland would have would be the same as what Hearn has right now. And how did that work out for him? Again, those fighters from the popular weight classes wouldn't enter the tournament. Giving all that budget to a non-American promoter was always going to be hard. You literally have to build up your stable opposed to giving money to someone already with a big stable.

[filup79]

Did the free month in Sept. caught some fights but they were pretty much garbage. Never even caught a whole fight on DAZN. WBSS is okay but nothing really special to want me to continue to pay on a monthly basis. Canelo/Fielding is another garbage fight, I will re subscribe when they have a big meaningful fight and then cancel till the next one. The problem is that Hearn came off talking all this stuff, claiming to be the money man and ****ting on other promoters cards, instead of doing all that he should be using all that effort in promoting his fighters and making good fights. His cards have been garbage and no better than anything else out there.

[NEETzsche]

What difference is that from Hearn having all this money? The money Sauerland would have would be the same as what Hearn has right now. And how did that work out for him? Again, those fighters from the popular weight classes wouldn't enter the tournament. Giving all that budget to a non-American promoter was always going to be hard. You literally have to build up your stable opposed to giving money to someone already with a big stable.

Because the WBSS is not a regular promotion and doesn't have a stable. It's not in direct competition with other promotions so its relationship with them is not so adversarial. With a big enough budget it could steadily build its prestige until it reached a point where marquee fighters like Lomachenko and Mikey would demand to participate, because it's the most effective way to secure a legacy and it would be paying no less than their regular promoters anyway