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  • Jsmooth9876
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    #11
    Do us a favor and don't compare 2 ATG to these 2 S H I Tbags ever again lol.....

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      #12
      Originally posted by Phenom
      Attendance record don't mean **** I'm sure Canelo can fill out Estadio Azteca and walk away with live gate of $500K but he rather fight in 20k arena instead

      And here you go 50/50 Split in MGM on march 2011

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbn...fight-timeline
      This is what it says about 50/50 split.

      Richard Schaefer, who was then the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, denied ever sending the deal. Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, also called the report nonsense

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      • Lopez_Boxing
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        #13
        Originally posted by Eff Pandas
        Paragraphs brother lol.

        But as to this:


        I agree 100%, but the thing is there is often so much time between big fights that these things become news stories more easily & become legit topics of discussions for us the hardcore fans who pay attention to boxing 24/7/365. So its not really a surprise in this era we've focused more on money cuz that info is more readily available to discuss for us & the big fights seem to happen less often then they used to.
        Right on I had it spaced when I typed it posted different.

        As far as the purses. It is absolutely part of the sport there for open for discussion. Boxing is a sport and in all sports there talks of max contracts, guarantees, salary caps. Money is always an interesting topic. But some how it's been used as a crutch now and wear fans are mentally blocking fightsbwe should want to see by oddly justifying why our favorite fighter shouldn't take a risk. And the only reason I can assume people are doing that is because they are afraid of a lose on their guys record. I can't find a reason were we as fans should use a man's income to determine who he should fight. That's what the ranking system is for

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          #14
          Originally posted by Bjl12
          Ghosts is a clown and a white supremacist. And he's wrong at least 90% of the time.

          Floyd offered the fight and agreed to a ludicrous weight penalty of $10 million/pound over 147 (never heard of before). To counter Floyd demanded additional drug testing. Manny couldn't come to terms with that...I would say "you figure out the rest", but your hatred for blacks plagues your thought process.

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          "Reports from ESPN.com state that Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Shaefer has revealed that the fight would be fought at 147 pounds, and that the penalty for coming in over weight would be a whopping $10 million per pound.

          The huge penalty was called for by members of the Pacquaio camp, after Mayweather ignored the contract limit of 144 pounds in his last fight with Juan Manuel Marquez and weighed-in at 146. Mayweather won that fight by unanimous decision."

          https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/de...sagreement-ov/

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          "Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports reported in 2012 that Mayweather and Pacquiao came within a whisker of settling their differences with a 2010 fight. All the details were worked out, including the date, a 50-50 purse split, who would receive top billing on promotional materials and the order in which the men would enter the ring and be announced to the crowd.

          But it all came apart over Pacquiao's objections to Mayweather's demands for strict, random blood testing, which promoter Bob Arum claimed, per David Mayo of MLive.com, was to be implemented right up to the weigh in"

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          "A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010."

          The two sides had a contract drawn up that both sides that nearly got signed before Pacquiao balked at Mayweather's testing requirements.


          https://www.************.com/2011/11...-common-sense/



          Another white supremacist DOWN!
          Pretty sure I know whose racist alt you are.

          But according to the people who would know about a 50/50 deal...

          Richard Schaefer, who was then the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, denied ever sending the deal. Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, also called the report nonsense

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          • Lopez_Boxing
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            #15
            Originally posted by Jsmooth9876
            Do us a favor and don't compare 2 ATG to these 2 S H I Tbags ever again lol.....
            Obviously there's no comparison in terms of fighters...although wilder is closing in on mayweather recordhaha ... but the situation is similar.. And the the way people have flipped sides is almost hilarious I'm not even sure if most guys notice they agree with mayweather now

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              #16
              Originally posted by Lopez_Boxing
              Money is always an interesting topic. But some how it's been used as a crutch now and wear fans are mentally blocking fightsbwe should want to see by oddly justifying why our favorite fighter shouldn't take a risk. And the only reason I can assume people are doing that is because they are afraid of a lose on their guys record. I can't find a reason were we as fans should use a man's income to determine who he should fight. That's what the ranking system is for
              I think its merely an increase in the hardcore fans boxing intelligence with all this down time from regularly scheduled big fights going down. Its a part of the consideration just like how if fighter A is with DAZN & fighter B is with Top Rank the fight is just gonna be harder to make & we all know this (or most of us anyway) & accept this now.

              So if Joshua vs Wilder makes sense tomorrow I think we can see why with an increase of Q scores over the next couple years why that fight makes more sense in 2020 when Joshua is even huger & Wilder has a bigger name. For this fight specifically I do have issues with the unbeatability of both guys so I think marinating it til 2020 is problematic for that reason, but the overall strategy checks out. If its with x today it'll be worth x + whatever $ more in 2020.

              So I disagree with the overall stance that guys aren't "up for risk" so much that fighters are trying to maximize upside which I would agree does deal with some involvement in minimizing risk although to the end of the giant pile of money at the end vs the upside in better risk management.

              And to be clear thats not to say I'm a fan of this. I'd much prefer if most fights in boxing took place like they do in the UFC. The UFC's pace with making big fights is much much quicker than boxings pace with making big fights. There are other reasons for that doe. Too many moving parts I'd argue.

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              • Lopez_Boxing
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                #17
                Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                I think its merely an increase in the hardcore fans boxing intelligence with all this down time from regularly scheduled big fights going down. Its a part of the consideration just like how if fighter A is with DAZN & fighter B is with Top Rank the fight is just gonna be harder to make & we all know this (or most of us anyway) & accept this now.

                So if Joshua vs Wilder makes sense tomorrow I think we can see why with an increase of Q scores over the next couple years why that fight makes more sense in 2020 when Joshua is even huger & Wilder has a bigger name. For this fight specifically I do have issues with the unbeatability of both guys so I think marinating it til 2020 is problematic for that reason, but the overall strategy checks out. If its with x today it'll be worth x + whatever $ more in 2020.

                So I disagree with the overall stance that guys aren't "up for risk" so much that fighters are trying to maximize upside which I would agree does deal with some involvement in minimizing risk although to the end of the giant pile of money at the end vs the upside in better risk management.

                And to be clear thats not to say I'm a fan of this. I'd much prefer if most fights in boxing took place like they do in the UFC. The UFC's pace with making big fights is much much quicker than boxings pace with making big fights. There are other reasons for that doe. Too many moving parts I'd argue.
                I get why they do it, and I would probably, most def do the same. Cash is king, but realisticly these guys make enough as is. We the consumer have to keep shelling out, subscriptions, fight tickets, travel hotel, to follow what we love while they squeeze as many easy fights they can before they give us the fight We want. We invest our time and money following their careers anticipating big fights that some time never come because they want to hold on crawling it out hoping to make more millions for the first fight. They want more there's always time for rematches

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Bjl12
                  Ghosts is a clown and a white supremacist. And he's wrong at least 90% of the time.

                  Floyd offered the fight and agreed to a ludicrous weight penalty of $10 million/pound over 147 (never heard of before). To counter Floyd demanded additional drug testing. Manny couldn't come to terms with that...I would say "you figure out the rest", but your hatred for blacks plagues your thought process.

                  -----

                  "Reports from ESPN.com state that Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Shaefer has revealed that the fight would be fought at 147 pounds, and that the penalty for coming in over weight would be a whopping $10 million per pound.

                  The huge penalty was called for by members of the Pacquaio camp, after Mayweather ignored the contract limit of 144 pounds in his last fight with Juan Manuel Marquez and weighed-in at 146. Mayweather won that fight by unanimous decision."

                  https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/de...sagreement-ov/

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                  "Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports reported in 2012 that Mayweather and Pacquiao came within a whisker of settling their differences with a 2010 fight. All the details were worked out, including the date, a 50-50 purse split, who would receive top billing on promotional materials and the order in which the men would enter the ring and be announced to the crowd.

                  But it all came apart over Pacquiao's objections to Mayweather's demands for strict, random blood testing, which promoter Bob Arum claimed, per David Mayo of MLive.com, was to be implemented right up to the weigh in"

                  -----

                  "A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010."

                  The two sides had a contract drawn up that both sides that nearly got signed before Pacquiao balked at Mayweather's testing requirements.


                  https://www.************.com/2011/11...-common-sense/



                  Another white supremacist DOWN!
                  Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                  Pretty sure I know whose racist alt you are.

                  But according to the people who would know about a 50/50 deal...

                  Richard Schaefer, who was then the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, denied ever sending the deal. Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, also called the report nonsense
                  The difference between you and me is that I use sources which confirm information.

                  You make allegations without any source and deny/reject facts.

                  Sounds like some "fake news" Trump rhetoric.

                  Trump. Trash.

                  Another white whiny boy DOWN! boy DOWN!!!

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                  • Eff Pandas
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Lopez_Boxing
                    I get why they do it, and I would probably, most def do the same. Cash is king, but realisticly these guys make enough as is.
                    Go ask Buffet, Bezos' & Gates about that. I think once you've accepted money as a god of sorts, as everyone who's actively pursuing capitalism is doing at the highest levels of it are doing more or less, there isn't such a thing as enough. I think its points on the board more than a what can I buy thing at that point.

                    We the consumer have to keep shelling out, subscriptions, fight tickets, travel hotel, to follow what we love while they squeeze as many easy fights they can before they give us the fight We want. We invest our time and money following their careers anticipating big fights that some time never come because they want to hold on crawling it out hoping to make more millions for the first fight. They want more there's always time for rematches
                    Preaching to the choir on this one. I often seriously joke that when I'm an old timer I'll probably quit watching boxing cuz boxing is always playing things out a couple years into the future so if I'm 75 & might not live til 77 to see the big fight they are talking about when I'm 75 whats the point of me still being interesting in this sport that cares so little about the fans.

                    I must say I'm more optimistic with things like the WBSS & the WBC Guy with allowing unifying fights more often these days. I think we are getting closer to a one world boxing universe & when thats the reality I think boxing will be a lot more boxing fan friendly cuz it'll be appealing to more mainstream fans at that point cuz thats the people (the mainstream fans) boxing, if its had its sh^t together, would be going after on a regular weekly or monthly basis vs 2 times a year nowadays.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Bjl12
                      Ghosts is a clown and a white supremacist. And he's wrong at least 90% of the time.

                      Floyd offered the fight and agreed to a ludicrous weight penalty of $10 million/pound over 147 (never heard of before). To counter Floyd demanded additional drug testing. Manny couldn't come to terms with that...I would say "you figure out the rest", but your hatred for blacks plagues your thought process.

                      -----

                      "Reports from ESPN.com state that Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Shaefer has revealed that the fight would be fought at 147 pounds, and that the penalty for coming in over weight would be a whopping $10 million per pound.

                      The huge penalty was called for by members of the Pacquaio camp, after Mayweather ignored the contract limit of 144 pounds in his last fight with Juan Manuel Marquez and weighed-in at 146. Mayweather won that fight by unanimous decision."

                      https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/de...sagreement-ov/

                      -----

                      "Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports reported in 2012 that Mayweather and Pacquiao came within a whisker of settling their differences with a 2010 fight. All the details were worked out, including the date, a 50-50 purse split, who would receive top billing on promotional materials and the order in which the men would enter the ring and be announced to the crowd.

                      But it all came apart over Pacquiao's objections to Mayweather's demands for strict, random blood testing, which promoter Bob Arum claimed, per David Mayo of MLive.com, was to be implemented right up to the weigh in"

                      -----

                      "A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010."

                      The two sides had a contract drawn up that both sides that nearly got signed before Pacquiao balked at Mayweather's testing requirements.


                      https://www.************.com/2011/11...-common-sense/



                      Another white supremacist DOWN!
                      I agree with everything you said but ghost is black .

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