Comments Thread For: Dmitry Bivol Boxes Past Jean Pascal To Win Decision

[Boxing Logic]

What this fight has told us:

• Bivol is an exceptional Tech-Savy Boxer lacking over the edge Power to be a factor at the very top of the chart like we hoped he would...

• I think Beterbiev destroys him within 8 rounds...

• Alvarez also deals with him ...

• Not sure about Stevenson being able to sustain the volume though... But that lefty could be just what he needs to get rid of him...Bivol gets hit a lot and doesn't have the package to deal with the heavy kings of the division...

If Bivol moved to 168 or 160 (he weighed 181 in the ring vs Pascal at light heavyweight, less than some middleweights weigh on fight night, and that was after training to keep muscle on for light heavyweight. Bivol could get down even lower as like a 177 lbs middleweight, which is perfect for this era), what would you make of him then? I'd love to see Bivol vs Jermall Charlo at 168 next year. I feel that is the true natural weight for both of them. Jermall is too big for 160, Bivol is too small for 175, so them vs each other at 168 to kickstart their careers in the more ideal weight class for both of them would be spectacular and a big boon to the currently overshadowed 168 division in general. What do you think?

[Boxing Logic]

Bivol worried too much about the counter.

If you were facing a Jean Pascal with 7 pounds of weight over you in the ring, probably all muscle that he added under the guidance of the recently hired Memo Heredia, you would be worried about the counter too! Lol.

[Boxing Logic]

I definitely understand. Kovalev was #1 after Ward retired. After he gets beat, they’re acting like he wasn’t #1. And we all know why.

Kovalev was past prime when Ward lost to him but got a gift, then did an Andrew Golota on Kovalev in the rematch but got given belts for it instead of disqualified because Ward is an American star and Golota was not. When Alvarez finally stepped up to fight Kovalev years after Kovalev's best days in the ring, Kovalev was cleaner and healthier than when he fought Ward, but also another year or two older. And we saw Kovalev's stamina was still not the same as in his prime even after cleaning up his life, allegedly, when he fought Mikhalkin, which again points to either his age or the altitude training being the issue as well not just his lifestyle.

Even Max Kellerman confirmed that when he said he saw vulnerability in Kovalev against Mikhalkin. And we both know Mikhalkin is not elite so what does that tell you about the version of Kovalev that Alvarez and Ward beat? In any case, Kovalev has no stamina now, which makes him vulnerable, and Alvarez took advantage of that vulnerability. Doesn't mean Alvarez is the best at 175 now though. He needs to fight the other PRIME guys and then we'll find out.

[Shadoww702]

just wow

from their two matches, it was clearly obvious Ward is the better fighter

same with Canelo/Golovkin

even after the first fight, regardless as to who you thought won..... it was clearly obvious that Canelo is the more-skilled more well-rounded fighter

what the fcuk are you guys watching when you watch boxing ?

and why would you say what you just said ?

Illegal sht streams that buffer every 2 seconds and cant make sht out because it's soo grainy and shty quality it looks like two tetris blocks are fighting each other...

[Shadoww702]

Past prime GGG outstalked Canelo the first fight, outboxed Canelo the second fight without GGG's back touching the ropes once all night. GGG even well past his prime, missing all his best tools from his prime (his hand speed, his power, his stamina, even his punch resistance has declined with age as shown by Vanes hurting him with a jab), was still able to outbox Canelo in multiple styles, so clearly, prime for prime, it's not even close, GGG is better all around. Prime Canelo has slightly faster hands than prime GGG, although nothing like the difference that we see now, and that's it. That's Canelo's one advantage prime for prime. That and head movement but GGG makes up for that with a much better guard and much better footwork and legs in general, so overall defense still goes to GGG or is even on Canelo's best day.

As for Kovalev-Ward, it's a similar story. Kovalev was drunk and past prime, yet still even Ward fans would admit boxed Ward even in their first fight, while everyone who is just a boxing fan would say Kovalev did better than box him even. So if past prime Kovalev is the equal of prime Ward, then obviously prime Kovalev is better than prime Ward. I have no idea why you would call that racism when it's just logical. It's obvious logic, nothing to do with race. As for their second fight, that doesn't count for anything because the "story of the fight" or rather, more accurately, the natural evolution of the fight was altered so early, so regularly, and so significantly by a clearly one-sided referee that there are zero conclusions anyone can draw from that fight other than that Kovalev is way past prime and his stamina gets shot to hell after only a few low blows (all the more reason why rules should be enforced strictly, so that the competition can be about who is better at the sport, and not how well somebody who is already past prime can overcome being blatantly cheated against).

It's like trying to study lions in their natural habitat or something, but then an alien ship drops down into their habitat and gives them alien technology or some ****. At that point, you can no longer draw any conclusions about lions in their natural habitats because it's not natural anymore, the experiment has been altered by an outside influence. Well, that's what the referee did, he was an outside influence that changed the course of that fight, rendering that fight meaningless. He also changed the ending of the fight as well. The referee had his hands in every aspect of that fight. But before the stoppage, which was bogus, the fight was basically EVEN on the official judges cards "official" my ass, officially blind and/or corrupt, and most fans had Kovalev ahead.

At worst, it was another very close fight. So if past prime Kovalev fights close with prime Ward, whichever way you scored it they were always close fights and close rounds, then obviously prime Kovalev was better. That is, again, just obvious. So to me, pointing out the obvious is not racist at all. It's when you try to IGNORE the obvious that one has to start wondering what your motives are. Why would you ignore something that is obvious? Why do the obvious logical conclusion bother you so much? Why would you rather make up something false and call other people names to defend your made up reality than simply acknowledge the obvious?

I think either racism, or some other type of bias, is what causes people to IGNORE obvious logic. Acknowledging obvious logic, that's just being logical, being objective, being fair. That's not racist. I'm not saying you're racist, I don't know what your reasons are, but you are the one trying to deflect from the obvious, not me or anyone else saying Kovalev > Ward and GGG > Canelo, so that makes you the one with some sort of bias or agenda, not me or anyone else agreeing with me on this.

No one reads this 500 page comment. You dont know sht about boxing and unless anyone wants to get dumber and lose at least 10 IQ points I advice no one to read this fairy tale BULL SH! T

[Shadoww702]

Stop with your inane Ward worship and racist innuendo.

Kovalev proved to be a better fighter than Andre Ward period. Just like ggg proved better than Canelo, with just politics giving them victories to justify the USA boxing establishment. Kovalev was overrated and he made Ward look like the overrated fraud we all knew he was.

Yeah throw 7 TOTAL body punches and miss like close to 700 total punches???

What part of RTARDEDVILLE are you from??? Im going with FULL.

[DuckAdonis]

What this fight has told us:

• Bivol is an exceptional Tech-Savy Boxer lacking over the edge Power to be a factor at the very top of the chart like we hoped he would...

• I think Beterbiev destroys him within 8 rounds...

• Alvarez also deals with him ...

• Not sure about Stevenson being able to sustain the volume though... But that lefty could be just what he needs to get rid of him...Bivol gets hit a lot and doesn't have the package to deal with the heavy kings of the division...

You should check your eyes man...Bivol has way better defense and gets hit less than all the top guys at 175: Stevenson, Beterbiev, Kovalev and even Alvarez who got tagged alot by Kov, Pascal and Chilemba

[Boxing Logic]

Pascal landed the heavier flashier shots but I'm not mad at the decision.

The young gun Bivol was busier.

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[Boxing Logic]

Yep, pascal in there for a check.

Must be why he gutted out all 12 rounds instead of bowing out earlier? But I probably shouldnt expect intelligent comments to come from someone who celebrates a robbery and a past prime fighter getting KO'd in their sig as if those are meaningful fight outcomes. I mean if you told people your claim to fame was robbing someone and knocking out an old guy, do you think they'd be impressed? Of course not. And yet to you, apparently those things are impressive. So I wasnt expecting a smart comment, but still, Pascal spent extra money this camp to train with Memo Heredia, he packed on muscle as you can see, his muscle is way more defined than say GGG's, speaking of GGG, at the same age, and he came trying to win all 12 rounds. Yeah his legs looked stiff probably because he's old, so did GGG's vs Canelo, but this was just worse with Pascal because he was eating way more big shots from Bivol than GGG did from Canelo, plus GGG still has a better BALANCE of muscle to body fat even if his muscle itself does not seem to be anywhere near as responsible or explosive anymore like it used to be, or like Pascal's still is at least a bit more than GGG's it seems at the same age.

But he came trying to win, so you should at least give him that credit. And he also came BIG, bigger than when he fought Kovalev is my impression. That makes a difference.

[STREET CLEANER]

He looked very dominant. It's going to take a special type of fighter to beat this kid. I know some other opponents might have looked "better" in beating Pascal, but the truth is that nobody was as clean and as disciplined in doing so as Bivol. He's a very good fighter in all types of situations and fundamentally solid too. The Lightheavyweight Division is amazing right now.

I agree with this. Bivol had a lot of subtle moves and shows a lot of skills.