Comments Thread For: Dmitry Bivol Boxes Past Jean Pascal To Win Decision

[Muz]

That's not how I saw it. Bivol is just fighting at the wrong weight if he wants to be a light heavyweight. 181 in the ring is a large middleweight or a small/avg super middleweight. Bivol was fighting someone who weighed an entire division heavier than him, and who was loading up huge right hand counters. Bivol still hit him with the kitchen sink, but it did nothing due to the weight advantage. Very hard to knock out someone a full weight class heavier than you who is built like a mound of muscle. Even end-of-prime Kovalev never had Pascal out, he just TKO'd him. In the rematch Pascal was not even hurt at the time, his corner just stopped it between rounds.

Bivol threw everything at Pascal when he had the chance, at one point he threw like a 30 punch combination, so how can we say he was content to go to decision? He kept coming forward as well. Just after a certain point, Pascal was too big for Bivol to get out, and Bivol had to be careful as Pascal's size grew in effect late in the fight if not in actuality, at least in potential to cause issues. Bivol had to be careful at the end of 36 minutes of combat, body fatigued, with someone a weight class bigger than him winging bombs. It is what it is. But Bivol definitely did all he could, safely, and a little bit more (which is why he got caught), to get the KO. Let's not take that away from him. He's just fighting at the wrong weight in the ring for light heavyweight.

Excellent post as always

[Muz]

just wow

from their two matches, it was clearly obvious Ward is the better fighter

same with Canelo/Golovkin

even after the first fight, regardless as to who you thought won..... it was clearly obvious that Canelo is the more-skilled more well-rounded fighter

what the fcuk are you guys watching when you watch boxing ?

and why would you say what you just said ?

You are in the minority of those who believe Ward beat Kovalev and Canelo didn’t lose both fights. You aren’t a boxing fan, you are a purveyor of propaganda and whose agenda lies with protecting American fighters, especially ones of color.

The fact Kovalev outlander Ward wasn’t even important, the fact he hurt Ward multiple times and forced Ward to hold and survive rather than fight to win told the story. That’s why even with corruption the establishment could only muster a 114-113 scorecard for Ward, as they had to score every swing round plus a bogus 10th round to give Ward that robbery.

Canelo was punked in the first fight, not really competitive except for 4 rounds. All of the media and boxing again had GGG winning.

The 2nd fight to his credit Canelo straight up fought GGG and had early success until GGG adjusted and took over after round 7. GGG showed whose skill level was as good as Canelo and whose punches were effortlessly hurting Canelo while Canelo had to throw every punch with force just to keep GGG off him.

GGG and Kovalev dominated Canelo and Ward with their jabs, and of course the USA establishment in Vegas did everything to discount jabs in those fights.

Judges can be influenced and bought especially when the pressure is on to protect the A side demographic fighters.

GGG proved he was superior to Canelo that was evident.

Kovalev best Ward the first fight, was at worst even up in the rematch and unjustly stopped due to low blows Ty’s should have merited at DQ if the referee wasn’t biased.

[apollocreed]

I haven't seen this fight, but it sounds like Bivol was underwhelming. If that's true, it doesn't surprise me at all. Everyone in the UK, including people like Froch, were saying he was the future at 175 and could beat Ward, which I always thought was compete BS. He KO'd the Australian dude in Monte Carlo, so what? Boxing is about levels, beating that guy didn't mean anything in terms of the top level. I'm not saying Bivol isn't a good fighter, but he's some future p4p superstar. I don't think Beterbiev is anything exceptional either. Ward would beat both in shut out wins.

[aboutfkntime]

You are in the minority of those who believe Ward beat Kovalev and Canelo didn’t lose both fights. You aren’t a boxing fan, you are a purveyor of propaganda and whose agenda lies with protecting American fighters, especially ones of color.

The fact Kovalev outlander Ward wasn’t even important, the fact he hurt Ward multiple times and forced Ward to hold and survive rather than fight to win told the story. That’s why even with corruption the establishment could only muster a 114-113 scorecard for Ward, as they had to score every swing round plus a bogus 10th round to give Ward that robbery.

Canelo was punked in the first fight, not really competitive except for 4 rounds. All of the media and boxing again had GGG winning.

The 2nd fight to his credit Canelo straight up fought GGG and had early success until GGG adjusted and took over after round 7. GGG showed whose skill level was as good as Canelo and whose punches were effortlessly hurting Canelo while Canelo had to throw every punch with force just to keep GGG off him.

GGG and Kovalev dominated Canelo and Ward with their jabs, and of course the USA establishment in Vegas did everything to discount jabs in those fights.

Judges can be influenced and bought especially when the pressure is on to protect the A side demographic fighters.

GGG proved he was superior to Canelo that was evident.

Kovalev best Ward the first fight, was at worst even up in the rematch and unjustly stopped due to low blows Ty’s should have merited at DQ if the referee wasn’t biased.

FACT: Ward STOPPED Kovalev
FACT: Canelo clearly won the rematch

Kovalev was done..... and nobody can tell me which of the ONLY official scoring criteria did Golovkin win?

* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* ring generalship
* defence

[Muz]

Past prime GGG outstalked Canelo the first fight, outboxed Canelo the second fight without GGG's back touching the ropes once all night. GGG even well past his prime, missing all his best tools from his prime (his hand speed, his power, his stamina, even his punch resistance has declined with age as shown by Vanes hurting him with a jab), was still able to outbox Canelo in multiple styles, so clearly, prime for prime, it's not even close, GGG is better all around. Prime Canelo has slightly faster hands than prime GGG, although nothing like the difference that we see now, and that's it. That's Canelo's one advantage prime for prime. That and head movement but GGG makes up for that with a much better guard and much better footwork and legs in general, so overall defense still goes to GGG or is even on Canelo's best day.

As for Kovalev-Ward, it's a similar story. Kovalev was drunk and past prime, yet still even Ward fans would admit boxed Ward even in their first fight, while everyone who is just a boxing fan would say Kovalev did better than box him even. So if past prime Kovalev is the equal of prime Ward, then obviously prime Kovalev is better than prime Ward. I have no idea why you would call that racism when it's just logical. It's obvious logic, nothing to do with race. As for their second fight, that doesn't count for anything because the "story of the fight" or rather, more accurately, the natural evolution of the fight was altered so early, so regularly, and so significantly by a clearly one-sided referee that there are zero conclusions anyone can draw from that fight other than that Kovalev is way past prime and his stamina gets shot to hell after only a few low blows (all the more reason why rules should be enforced strictly, so that the competition can be about who is better at the sport, and not how well somebody who is already past prime can overcome being blatantly cheated against).

It's like trying to study lions in their natural habitat or something, but then an alien ship drops down into their habitat and gives them alien technology or some ****. At that point, you can no longer draw any conclusions about lions in their natural habitats because it's not natural anymore, the experiment has been altered by an outside influence. Well, that's what the referee did, he was an outside influence that changed the course of that fight, rendering that fight meaningless. He also changed the ending of the fight as well. The referee had his hands in every aspect of that fight. But before the stoppage, which was bogus, the fight was basically EVEN on the official judges cards "official" my ass, officially blind and/or corrupt, and most fans had Kovalev ahead.

At worst, it was another very close fight. So if past prime Kovalev fights close with prime Ward, whichever way you scored it they were always close fights and close rounds, then obviously prime Kovalev was better. That is, again, just obvious. So to me, pointing out the obvious is not racist at all. It's when you try to IGNORE the obvious that one has to start wondering what your motives are. Why would you ignore something that is obvious? Why do the obvious logical conclusion bother you so much? Why would you rather make up something false and call other people names to defend your made up reality than simply acknowledge the obvious?

I think either racism, or some other type of bias, is what causes people to IGNORE obvious logic. Acknowledging obvious logic, that's just being logical, being objective, being fair. That's not racist. I'm not saying you're racist, I don't know what your reasons are, but you are the one trying to deflect from the obvious, not me or anyone else saying Kovalev > Ward and GGG > Canelo, so that makes you the one with some sort of bias or agenda, not me or anyone else agreeing with me on this.

Very well said schooling this deluded propaganda artist on reality. These people use race to deflect every fact driven argument around. They are well schooled here in America how to use race to purvey all their propaganda.

Thank you for telling this idiot the truth. I’m sorry Boxing has become as safe haven for these losers reside.

[aboutfkntime]

I haven't seen this fight, but it sounds like Bivol was underwhelming. If that's true, it doesn't surprise me at all. Everyone in the UK, including people like Froch, were saying he was the future at 175 and could beat Ward, which I always thought was compete BS. He KO'd the Australian dude in Monte Carlo, so what? Boxing is about levels, beating that guy didn't mean anything in terms of the top level. I'm not saying Bivol isn't a good fighter, but he's some future p4p superstar. I don't think Beterbiev is anything exceptional either. Ward would beat both in shut out wins.

yea wut ?

casual fans be dumb

who cares what the " majority " thinks..... if the " majority " are uneducated idiots

[aboutfkntime]

Very well said schooling this deluded propaganda artist on reality. These people use race to deflect every fact driven argument around. They are well schooled here in America how to use race to purvey all their propaganda.

Thank you for telling this idiot the truth. I’m sorry Boxing has become as safe haven for these losers reside.

Jabkin was limited to the way he fought

that was not his gameplan, it was all he had left

Sanchez wanted him to fight Canelo, but he did what he was able to do

he kept them hands at home when he realized how sharp Canelo is..... and he could not deter Canelo, which is why he got his face pushed in

no bodywork..... no hunting/trapping..... no breaking his opponent down..... he was limited to backing up and pushing his jab to survive

Canelo LITERALLY beat the Mexican out of Golovkin LMAO

[Dontbeahater]

You are in the minority of those who believe Ward beat Kovalev and Canelo didn’t lose both fights. You aren’t a boxing fan, you are a purveyor of propaganda and whose agenda lies with protecting American fighters, especially ones of color.

The fact Kovalev outlander Ward wasn’t even important, the fact he hurt Ward multiple times and forced Ward to hold and survive rather than fight to win told the story. That’s why even with corruption the establishment could only muster a 114-113 scorecard for Ward, as they had to score every swing round plus a bogus 10th round to give Ward that robbery.

Canelo was punked in the first fight, not really competitive except for 4 rounds. All of the media and boxing again had GGG winning.

The 2nd fight to his credit Canelo straight up fought GGG and had early success until GGG adjusted and took over after round 7. GGG showed whose skill level was as good as Canelo and whose punches were effortlessly hurting Canelo while Canelo had to throw every punch with force just to keep GGG off him.

GGG and Kovalev dominated Canelo and Ward with their jabs, and of course the USA establishment in Vegas did everything to discount jabs in those fights.

Judges can be influenced and bought especially when the pressure is on to protect the A side demographic fighters.

GGG proved he was superior to Canelo that was evident.

Kovalev best Ward the first fight, was at worst even up in the rematch and unjustly stopped due to low blows Ty’s should have merited at DQ if the referee wasn’t biased.

Fantasy land mixed with assumptions and zero proof.
WHAT MAJORITY? MAKE BELIEVE Much?
Worship your hype jobs to the end.

[Muz]

I am going to answer that to you, they use the compubox number as a excuse to select the winner. They don't know there are more important aspects in boxing the judges see in fights.

Which clearly favored Kovalev and GGG over Canelo

Clean harder punching
Ring generalship
Effective aggression

Kovalev and GGG both won these criteria

[Muz]

Compu box isn’t an exact science, but GGG and Kovalev clearly landed the harder and more effective punches . They landed more punches as well. Only corruption prevented them of victory they earned. Typical entitlement in the USA for minority fighters because boxing needs to keep their fanbase watching and paying $$$