Badou Jack would beat the schit out of Bivol

[Real King Kong]

And once again, it isn't crazy AT ALL to think a 27 year old with his type of talent is being talked about with the best guys in the division. You even have some saying Jack ducked Bivol to fight Stevenson.

Give credit where it's due? How about live in reality? 15 fights for a 27 year old with 300 amateur fights isn't the same as 15 fights fights for a 23 year old with 80 amateur fights.

It's crazy to talk about a guy with 15 fights as being possibly the best in a division with top class veteran fighters, no matter how you look at it.

[John Locke]

Bivol is #1 at 175. Some of you boys are hard to impress. The guy is clearly very skilled, he was a world champ after just 12 fights and has since defended against, Barrera, Chilemba and Pascal. He's being moved along at a quicker pace than the vast majority of today's fighters.

After just 15 fights I would confidently pick him to KO Kovalev and Stevenson, outpoint Alvarez and Jack. The only fight I can see being a real tough task for him is Beterbiev, but he's got a lot of advantages in that fight also, youth being one of them.

[sicko]

I would have to agree honestly, Jack can beat ALL of the current champions at 175 no doubt in my mind. I think he is the underrated one at 175...but Joshua Buatsi is THE FUTURE of it, him and Anthony Yarde but of course that might still be another year or 2 away still. For Anthony Yarde, he is already #1 by the WBO, it is time to step up and prepare for the winner of Alvarez vs Kovalev

[KTFOKING]

It's crazy to talk about a guy with 15 fights as being possibly the best in a division with top class veteran fighters, no matter how you look at it.

Is it though? Was Rigo not seen as the best in his division 10 fights in? Is Lomachenko not considered the best after a handful fights? Is Beterbiev not seen as one of the best at LHW along with Bivol with 13 fights? Stop looking at the number of PROFESSIONAL fights and take a look at the ENTIRE package. Take a look at the amount of amateur fights and his age.

[Real King Kong]

Is it though? Was Rigo not seen as the best in his division 10 fights in? Is Lomachenko not considered the best after a handful fights? Is Beterbiev not seen as one of the best at LHW along with Bivol with 13 fights? Stop looking at the number of PROFESSIONAL fights and take a look at the ENTIRE package. Take a look at the amount of amateur fights and his age.

Props to all those guys for fighting top level opposition. Pro experience means something, that's why even guys who were decorated amateurs build their career slowly. I know, those guys were forced to face the best fighters...they deserve no credit. Age doe...

[KTFOKING]

Props to all those guys for fighting top level opposition. Pro experience means something, that's why even guys who were decorated amateurs build their career slowly. I know, those guys were forced to face the best fighters...they deserve no credit. Age doe...

Those with 300+ fights and those that are 25+ years old when they turn professional actually really don't build their careers slowly. Why? Because there is no need to. They are already that damn good and have a decorated amateur career.

LOL at you trying to equate 15 professional fights for a 27 year old with 300 amateur fights to a typical 15 professional bouts fighter that is 23 years old.

[Nay_Sayer]

Bivol is #1 at 175.

Alvarez has the better resume...

[Real King Kong]

Those with 300+ fights and those that are 25+ years old when they turn professional actually really don't build their careers slowly. Why? Because there is no need to. They are already that damn good and have a decorated amateur career.

LOL at you trying to equate 15 professional fights for a 27 year old with 300 amateur fights to a typical 15 professional bouts fighter that is 23 years old.

Yea you're right, loma didn't need any more pro experience before getting in with a guy like salido. He was ready for a tough 12 round fight cuz of all his amateur experience.

No matter how you wanna diminish what these guys are doing...they're still choosing to do it. They aren't being forced to.

[KTFOKING]

Yea you're right, loma didn't need any more pro experience before getting in with a guy like salido. He was ready for a tough 12 round fight cuz of all his amateur experience.

No matter how you wanna diminish what these guys are doing...they're still choosing to do it. They aren't being forced to.

Could Lomachenko used another fight or two to prepare for Salido? Maybe, but don't let hindsight get in the fact of Lomachenko still being a solid favorite heading into that fight. The next fight he beat GRJ with ease. And we still don't know how much that was a styles make fights type of thing or not as they never rematched. How do you know Salido wouldn't have given him fits even after five or six more fights?

There is nothing to diminish. They deserve props for being damn good fighters. But GTFO trying to act like 15 professional fights for someone like Bivol is the equivalent as 15 fights for someone like Jaron Boots Ennis.

[John Locke]

Alvarez has the better resume...

That's true, I have no problem if you have Alvarez ranked #1, but head to head I would pick Bivol to clearly outpoint him at this point

Alvarez is a good fighter though, a lot better than I initially gave him credit for