Comments Thread For: Kovalev's Promoter Reveals What Caused Losses To Ward, Alvarez

[Noelanthony]

nope!nope!

And what about the first fight, do you really think CoWard won?

I mean, I used to like him until I started hating all the dirty antics he uses to win.

Lol ... What about your first claim? You can’t make a boast and then someone checks you on your competence then you go on to ask another question.LMAO . How about owning your mistake first giving the poster his props for educating you. Because after all if he didn’t share his vast knowledge with you you may have gone on repeating your nonsense to other people. A man has to accept when he is wrong. For all I know you may still believe that the judges had Kovalev up before the stoppage?

It is ok to be wrong on occasion but what you never do is allow someone to educate you then have the nerve to ask them a question without thanking them for correcting you. Don’t be Wrong and strong. Now what was that question again, I will answer it, you are not liberty to ask your teacher no more questions

[McNulty]

While overtraining does make sense (been there) I think the more obvious problem is Kov’s apparent alcoholism.

But you don't think going the distance in the pro's 3x out of 37 fights had nothing to do with it?

I said it before and I'll say it agin, Kovalev was untested and overhyped. He throws the same combo's over and over, never been tested to the distance.

He never fought anybody until he started losing. Hopkins was for real 49 years old. Pascal is an overhyped juice head thats undersized for SMW nevermind LHW. Cleverly is a Eurobum and Chilemba is a b- level fighter.

Regarding overtraining, I overtrained my entire AM's Boxing career and it only effected me in the 10 years after I stopped. All top Boxers over-train to varying degree's. Train hard you get in shape thats how it works. What Duva is saying is injury related. Rest has nothing to do with lungs and stamina. Rest is for muscles, tendons, etc to prevent injuries.

Duva don't know what the hell she's talking about and even if she does, she's just trying to hype Kovalev up so she can keep getting paid.

[Marvlus Marv]

I feel like Ward caused him to burn energy being emotional ever during lead up to fight...He was doing alot of whining etc.

I second this shti. Kov wasted a chunk of his focus on trying to sound like a badass and he forgot he was fighting Andre frickin Ward. Now, Andre Ward has never been my fave fighter but I completely respect his mastery of what he does and he's one of the last guys to be psyched out in boxing, ffs. Kovalev's Ivan Drago impression stank the joint out.

[D4thincarnation]

In the first Ward fight, he won, but was fading in the later rounds.

In the 2nd Ward fight, he upped the paced, was winning the fight but was fading badly, and then Ward caught him with multiple low blows.

Against Alvarez, he started well, but faded even faster, and got beat by the better guy.

Kovalev never used to have these stamina issues, but he got them now, age is a factor so I don't expect them to complete go even with the new team around him

[Boxing Logic]

Half the time they say he overtrained, half the time they say he undertrained or had drinking problems and smoking issues. I think the overtrained narrative is just better for PR, makes it sound like he's such a warrior and champion he tried too hard, not hard enough. Not sure I buy it. Then again, maybe drinking and smoking, which taxes your body, PLUS overtraining, which taxes your body, PLUS overtraining IN BIG BEAR with not enough oxygen in the air, which takes your body BIGLY, makes sense as the exact combination of things that could completely derail an elite fighter's stamina to the point where it goes from above average to the worst in boxing.

All I know is, whatever it is, Kovalev has not been the same since at least Chilemba. I think Pascal I, Kovalev was past prime, then Pascal II, Pascal was so beat up from the first fight, it was hard to tell, but there were also reports Kovalev's camp went way better for that rematch so maybe that was his last hurrah, but whether he rebounded for Pascal II or not, certainly Pascal I to a degree, and then Chilemba 100%, he was past prime, a declined fighter, and then we saw that continue in both Ward fights, then the Shabbransky fight didnt last long enough to see Kovalev's stamina, but the moment he returned to fights that lasted more than 3 rounds, vs Mikhalkin and Alvarez, we continued to see him dead tired after 4 rounds, even vs a non-puncher in Mikhalkin.

Those are just the facts. All anyone needs to do is rewatch the fights and they will see. But, some Ward fans want to create their own narrative that Ward "beat" a prime Kovalev twice, and then Kovalev self-destructed right after the Ward fights which explains why he's looked like **** since. In reality, I dont think Ward ever fights Kovalev in the first place if it wasn't already common knowledge with boxing insiders that Kovalev was already self-destructing (in terms of his drinking and alcohol habits). In fact, Duva said after Kovalev-BHop, BHop told him he could be champion "as long as he wants to be," which suggests that Kovalev's bad habits may have already been happening, and may have already been well known, even back when he fought BHop, but he was still young enough that they hadn't 100% caught up with him yet. Hell, most of us who are objective thought BHop was crazy to take fight at the time, just like we thought Virgil Hunter was crazy to say Ward would stop Kovalev before each of their fights (he was, Ward never even dropped Kovalev once over 20 rounds let alone stopped him legitimately)... is it possible BOTH BHop and Ward fought Kovalev for the same reason, his alcohol and smoking problems and resultant decline in stamina in the gym (fighters talk), and it's just that Kovalev was still too young, and those problems had not taken enough of a toll yet, for BHop to have any success vs him, but by the time Kovalev fought Ward, they had taken enough of a toll, at least enough for Ward to be competitive anyway?

I believe that's what happened.

[Boxing Logic]

I second this shti. Kov wasted a chunk of his focus on trying to sound like a badass and he forgot he was fighting Andre frickin Ward. Now, Andre Ward has never been my fave fighter but I completely respect his mastery of what he does and he's one of the last guys to be psyched out in boxing, ffs. Kovalev's Ivan Drago impression stank the joint out.

And what's your explanation for why Kovalev gassed just as badly vs Chilemba the fight before (despite there being way fewer low blows, which tells you how good Chilemba is in comparison to Ward, because Ward needed the low blows to achieve the same thing Chilemba did without them)? Go watch that fight Kovalev gets so gassed, Chilemba hits him with clear KO punches, like giant right hands right on the chin, he just didnt have even the average power that Ward had. And I dont think Kovalev tried to act like a badass leading up to Chilemba at all. They were both with main events and I assume friendly.

Let's stop giving Ward and all this voodoo psychological bull**** credit for what's very easily and obviously explained with alcohol and smoking and training issues. BHop played the same mind games with Kovalev, and tried the same tactics as Ward, Kovalev was just younger and fresher so they didnt work, though even in that fight you can see Kovalev breathing hard because Hopkins is a tricky guy to fight and there was a lot of pressure as you said. But not enough to make Kovalev gas in 3 rounds like he did vs Chilemba, Ward, Mikhalkin, and Alvarez. And Pascal I to a lesser degree. So that's 5 different opponents all bunched together where this all happened to Kovalev against ever since his age caught up with his drinking and smoking habits, but we still want to give Ward the credit? It would be one thing if the Chilemba fight came 5 years after the Ward fight, or the Mikhalkin fight happened 5 years earlier, but one was the fight immediately before Ward, and one was the first fight to go rounds after Ward. Let's stop giving Ward this phantom credit. If Ward wants more credit, he should do what every other true champ of the sport and fight for it.

Usyk is out there at 200 lbs. Ward tweeted he is 200 lbs of pure muscle now. Bivol is out there at 175. Even Beterbiev, I mean he's declining too now so... (isn't it wonderful how they do these foreign boxerslol?)... but it would still be a better win than Kovalev was in that state. Stevenson but again that should have been years ago. But you get the point. Beat prime, elite opponents, you will get all the credit in the world, probably more than ever now given the social media era. The problem is, Kovalev was not prime or elite when Ward fought him, he was declining already and I said that before they fought, not in hindsight. It was clear at the time.

[Awhispersecho]

I wonder if he is anxious and tense in the ring now too. If he gets in the ring with anxiety, even on the subconscious level, it will have a serious effect on your stamina. David Price is an example of this. Get in the ring all wound up and tight and you can't breathe and last as long. If Kovalev is nervous or anxious in the ring now from self doubt or worrying about his past losses, it could be a huge problem for him. Things change when all of a sudden you're getting in the ring knowing the people facing you aren't scared like the used to be.

[Boom Boom X]

"Bacon August 4th"

[Marvlus Marv]

And what's your explanation for why Kovalev gassed just as badly vs Chilemba the fight before (despite there being way fewer low blows, which tells you how good Chilemba is in comparison to Ward, because Ward needed the low blows to achieve the same thing Chilemba did without them)? Go watch that fight Kovalev gets so gassed, Chilemba hits him with clear KO punches, like giant right hands right on the chin, he just didnt have even the average power that Ward had. And I dont think Kovalev tried to act like a badass leading up to Chilemba at all. They were both with main events and I assume friendly.

Let's stop giving Ward and all this voodoo psychological bull**** credit for what's very easily and obviously explained with alcohol and smoking and training issues. BHop played the same mind games with Kovalev, and tried the same tactics as Ward, Kovalev was just younger and fresher so they didnt work, though even in that fight you can see Kovalev breathing hard because Hopkins is a tricky guy to fight and there was a lot of pressure as you said. But not enough to make Kovalev gas in 3 rounds like he did vs Chilemba, Ward, Mikhalkin, and Alvarez. And Pascal I to a lesser degree. So that's 5 different opponents all bunched together where this all happened to Kovalev against ever since his age caught up with his drinking and smoking habits, but we still want to give Ward the credit? It would be one thing if the Chilemba fight came 5 years after the Ward fight, or the Mikhalkin fight happened 5 years earlier, but one was the fight immediately before Ward, and one was the first fight to go rounds after Ward. Let's stop giving Ward this phantom credit. If Ward wants more credit, he should do what every other true champ of the sport and fight for it.

Usyk is out there at 200 lbs. Ward tweeted he is 200 lbs of pure muscle now. Bivol is out there at 175. Even Beterbiev, I mean he's declining too now so... (isn't it wonderful how they do these foreign boxerslol?)... but it would still be a better win than Kovalev was in that state. Stevenson but again that should have been years ago. But you get the point. Beat prime, elite opponents, you will get all the credit in the world, probably more than ever now given the social media era. The problem is, Kovalev was not prime or elite when Ward fought him, he was declining already and I said that before they fought, not in hindsight. It was clear at the time.

I'm sorry, but I'm not about to get drawn into it again. All the whataboutism is in the past now.

[Superbee]

Duva is so desperate... Her ex-cash cow is in limbs so she puts on the same cassette since Chilemba... Having Bivol has your main cash cow isn't the greatest thing on earth... She is as delusional as ever... What an irrelevant joke she is..