How does a unified champion with 4 belts in 22 fights get called a duck?

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even with the Ortiz win he is still miles behind AJ on boxrec. So what does that tell you? And it is you that is using boxrec points as a measuring stick so don't come up with excuses.

It tells me that Joshua is the clear #1 man in the division and Wilder is the clear #2 man in the division. Something I've already stated over and over.

The issue isn't whether Joshua deserves to be #1. He's done more than anyone else. He's clearly #1.

The issue is his obsessed fans coming on this site day in and day out to pretend Wilder hasn't accomplished anything, even though he's the clear #2 in the division and has done more than anybody other than Joshua.

If Joshua has fought a bunch of top opponents to solidify himself as #1, with twice as many Boxrec points as #2 has, that doesn't mean we should **** all over #2 when #2 has twice as many points as anybody else has. There are thousands of heavyweights in the world. Wilder has done more than all of them except for Joshua. Where is the logic in denigrating the guy who has proven himself as #2 while giving a free pass to #3 through #3,000? Doesn't make any sense.

[rickJen]

He was offered $50 million and no meeting doe.
He turned it down and wanted less money, but wanted it in his native land.
I guess he's not as greedy as Deontay after all.

[_Rexy_]

But the fact is, team Wilder didnt take step up fights early when they could have. He fought in the Olympics so he didnt need more than 16 fights to step up and could have fought names early on. But again, it took him twice as many fights to get where Joshua was at the same number of fights. I think his team saw enough flaws that they didnt want to take progressive move ups.

Canelo had over 40 fights before he “stepped up” and I’ve never seen a fan base that was offended by that.

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He turned it down and wanted less money, but wanted it in his native land.

Only fighter in history willing to pay $25 million for a hometown ref.

[_Rexy_]

He turned it down and wanted less money, but wanted it in his native land.

Because that’s something people do

[Szef]

Canelo had over 40 fights before he “stepped up” and I’ve never seen a fan base that was offended by that.

Because you weren't here at that time.

Canelo got a lot of sh-t for fighting guys like washed up Mosley for example before he stepped up against Trout. Even then he was still getting roasted mainly because a lot of people thought Trout was robbed (that open scoring BS).

Wilder's career has been carefully manufactured with the end goal being that huge payday vs Joshua. He gets out boxed and made look like a fool by guys he's supposed to wreck. The video of him getting knocked down gets removed from the web. It's obvious what Team Wilder are doing.

[Laligalaliga]

Everything I said was factual, Rook.

Here's the original quote you had no factual reply to:



First, I was being nice by not pointing out how fanboy it is of you to say "4 belts". AJ has 3 of the 4 major recognized belts. The IBO is not major belt, was vacant at the time, and was thrown in with the vacant WBA belt for the Klitschko fight. AJ's WBA and IBO belts did not come by defeating a champion in the ring that entered the ring wearing them. They came by AJ beating a 40+ year old ex-champion who had looked vulnerable a good 2 years prior and had actually lost his belts in the ring vs Fury. Yet, Wlad was so confident of defeating Joshua that he insisted (along with Hearn) that they be up for grabs in the fight.

Next, the IBF. Glazkov was supposed to fight Wilder in Jan. 2016. But, when he found out he could fight Martin instead for the vacant IBF title (Wlad had opted for his rematch clause vs Fury which would lead to a vacant belt) he ducked the Wilder fight. He then injured himself in the fight with Martin, who won on a technical TKO since Glazkov couldn't continue after 3. It was considered a huge step up in class for Martin who was not expected to win vs Glazkov. But, he lucked out and immediately parlayed that luck into a fight with Joshua. Martin has never beat any notable heavyweight, much less an elite or even 2nd tier one.

Martin cashed out his IBF belt.

Last but not least, the WBO belt owned by Parker. Parker's biggest claims to fame are as follows: going 12 with Takam (who AJ needed a controversial stoppage against while Chisora knocked him flat after them), going 12 with Ruiz (in a fight some though he lost), and going 12 with Hughie Fury (who just lost in much more decisive fashion to Kubrat Pulev, a second or third tier guy). And of course, Parker has a loss to Dillian Whyte (again, controversial against another guy who may or may not be elite).

AJ fought one of the most boring fights in history vs Parker, but got the decision...but the jury is still very much out on Parker yet Joseph is the only man AJ actually took a belt off of in the ring that can be considered decent.

Now, if this isn't carefully managed to you son, I don't know what else to tell you.

School is done here.

Your comments are usually biased and one sided.

You will not tell the casuals bermane won a vacant belt beating a bum arreloa.

You will also not mention that wilder won his belt by a UD but quick to shout aloud AJ won his WBO by a slug feast.

You will not write that AJ has sent 3 contracts to wilder but you are quick to say wilder offered 50mil on twitter which AJ responded "let's roll"

You will not mention that wilder and finkel refused to meet hearn twice after the twitter offer.

You will not mention the contract offer was approximately X7 of wilders regular pay but you come out to say it's a slave contract.

You will never write that wilder couldn't unify with any of the belts being the longest champ but criticize AJ for strategically taking the risks and winning his titles.

There are many and many and many things you write biasedly but want to claim the victim.

The casuals already know the truth so save your stress.

[_Rexy_]

Because you weren't here at that time.

Canelo got a lot of sh-t for fighting guys like washed up Mosley for example before he stepped up against Trout. Even then he was still getting roasted mainly because a lot of people thought Trout was robbed (that open scoring BS).

Wilder's career has been carefully manufactured with the end goal being that huge payday vs Joshua. He gets out boxed and made look like a fool by guys he's supposed to wreck. The video of him getting knocked down gets removed from the web. It's obvious what Team Wilder are doing.

So Team Wilder is the only group out there that knows how to successfully remove something from the internet? Hopefully they share the secret soon to stop all of those teenagers from killing themselves.

[Szef]

So Team Wilder is the only group out there that knows how to successfully remove something from the internet? Hopefully they share the secret soon to stop all of those teenagers from killing themselves.

I'm sure it sounded like a good response in your head before you posted it but it isn't.

Why did they remove the footage is what you should be asking.

[_Rexy_]

I'm sure it sounded like a good response in your head before you posted it but it isn't.

Why did they remove the footage is what you should be asking.

Whatever you say man. Wilders team went and scrubbed all of the internet of any video of him getting knocked down. Any video, any archive of the video, any proof, and any memory of the videos existence except for you and other wilder haters. They also hacked Boxrec and removed any mention of Wilder being knocked down.

That sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all a conspiracy theory.