How does a unified champion with 4 belts in 22 fights get called a duck?

[Szef]

Whatever you say man. Wilders team went and scrubbed all of the internet of any video of him getting knocked down. Any video, any archive of the video, any proof, and any memory of the videos existence except for you and other wilder haters. They also hacked Boxrec and removed any mention of Wilder being knocked down.

That sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all a conspiracy theory.

There's plenty of testimonials from people who saw it live, including Wilder's trainer.



Around the 2:50 mark.

Doug Fisher was also in the area that night

I was at the Sconiers fight (which took place at Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio, Calif., in October of 2010, it was on the undercard of an Eloy Perez fight). I can tell anyone who wasn’t there that Wilder was not only dropped hard by the journeyman (it was the second round, if memory serves me – he dropped Sconiers and then Sconiers dropped him), he got up on VERY wobbly legs, but he survived

[richardt]

Canelo had over 40 fights before he “stepped up” and I’ve never seen a fan base that was offended by that.

He was also much younger and wasnt coming from the Olympics. Wilder was held back.

[CrowsNestWest]

Hw

Lol Ortiz is six months older 'son', Povetkin has a much better pro resume and is a gold Olympic medalist, Ortiz struggled at Cuban level, look it up for yourself, straight facts.

Where did I say it was a 30 year old Wlad? It might not have been the best version of Wlad ever but it was a damn good one that came to fight unlike for the Fury fight. I can't see many if any other current HWs being able to beat him especially on that night.

Miller might be scary to you but it's 315 of largely fat with no real one punch knock out power and a bum record that's being lined up to get fed to AJ as we speak, to pad out AJ's record. He's not scaring AJ or any other top HW, they fight for a living and live to fight.

Guarantee he gets called a bum and a nobody that did nothing once he gets beat up.

Who beats Miller up and how? he just KO'd a guy off a deflection.

[Lion81]

Answer: its boxing scene

[koolkc107]

I'm in complete agreement with you and others who dismiss the IBO belt for the insignificant belt that it is. The rest of what you wrote is complete BS. Answer honestly would you say the same things about the opponents Joshua has beaten for his belts had it been Wilder?

BS?

Really?

It's 100% factual.

Let me know what parts you are having difficulties with and I will try my best to expand on them.

[koolkc107]

Your comments are usually biased and one sided.

You will not tell the casuals bermane won a vacant belt beating a bum arreloa.

We weren't talking about Wilder but since you mentioned it, don't forget that Stiverne was the 4th ranked heavy in the world and was supposed to be a test for Deontay.

You will also not mention that wilder won his belt by a UD but quick to shout aloud AJ won his WBO by a slug feast.

I believe I used the word "pattycake" to describe the Parker/AJ fight and most folks think that it is only surpassed by Fury/Wlad as the most boring fight in recent memory. I disagree because at least Wlad/Fury had suspence and disbelief throughout. And FYI, Wilder vs Stiverne was an entertaining fight by any standard.

You will not write that AJ has sent 3 contracts to wilder but you are quick to say wilder offered 50mil on twitter which AJ responded "let's roll".

Sending lowball contracts are not serious negotiation but simply a way to avoid a fight you don't want. And BTW, he actually accepted one of those lowballs on the condition he be next and Hearn found a way to screw the works there too. And I didn't even mention Nov. 2017, the first time Eddie went ghost and ducked the fight. As for Femi and "let's roll" that quickly became "I owe the fans of Britain this fight and it's more important than any money"...only to send another lowball contract proving that hey money is important to AJ after all.

You will not mention that wilder and finkel refused to meet hearn twice after the twitter offer.

Hearn nor AJ had formally accepted the offer sheet that Hearn acknowledged receipt of. Why would they meet without that? Do you hear Hearn trying to meet now, or is he insisting they accept the offer first?

You will not mention the contract offer was approximately X7 of wilders regular pay but you come out to say it's a slave contract.

And you won't mention how the offers to Martin and Parker (and yes even Wlad) were also career paydays or bigger purses than those fighters were used to or the fact that a fight with Wilder will be at least 4 times AJ's career high payday at least. 50 Million was almost 4 times his previous high guarantee but why mention that. For the last time, it isn't about what a boxer earned his previous fights, not for something like this. It's what the fighter's market worth is in THIS fight. From that perspective, Hearn's offers are absurd and everyone except AJ fanboys seem to get this. Hell, even Hearn knows they are/were lowball. Last year, 7M was too much for a Whyte fight. This year, he offered 20M for a Whyte and AJ fight. Do the math.

You will never write that wilder couldn't unify with any of the belts being the longest champ but criticize AJ for strategically taking the risks and winning his titles.

Wlad chose the guy he knew was easier first. Didn't hurt that that guy also meant the most money. Wilder wanted the fight that AJ got the same time AJ wanted it.

There are many and many and many things you write biasedly but want to claim the victim.

The only victim here is AJ, who is being made to look like the coward we all know he isn't. But, as long as Hearn continues to put money over legacy, we will continue to see this fuquery in AJ's matchmaking. Don't look now, but Wilder and Fury are getting ready to make the money they should have with AJ.

Guess some AJ fanboys have a problem with that although only God knows why. Real fans of the sport don't.

The casuals already know the truth so save your stress.

The casuals are the ones who can't even see how Hearn has been avoiding fighters since before AJ became a champion.

My comments are true and can be documented if they are not already...

[Hov]

I wonder what's so hard to understand about that, Hearn even admitted hes not going to entertain the $50mil because hes not willing to give up fighting in the UK in front of 70-90k. Hearn admitted the offer was legit but if hes not going to give up home field advantage then there was no reason to meet. Obviously the guy offering the largest money would want to dictate where the fight was held. Whats so hard to understand there?

Wilder is delusional for thinking he can dictate where the fight is and that he deserves a higher split. Even Mayweather was the B side before and took a fight where his opponent dictated terms to him when he fought. De La Hoya made Mayweather fight at a weight he never fought at before just to get that fight. Why the hell does Wilder think he can dictate terms to a unified champion with 4 belts and that is a cashcow. Wilder should be itching to take that fight to get all the belts and cement his legacy

[_Rexy_]

Wilder is delusional for thinking he can dictate where the fight is and that he deserves a higher split. Even Mayweather was the B side before and took a fight where his opponent dictated terms to him when he fought. De La Hoya made Mayweather fight at a weight he never fought at before just to get that fight. Why the hell does Wilder think he can dictate terms to a unified champion with 4 belts and that is a cashcow. Wilder should be itching to take that fight to get all the belts and cement his legacy

I’m so sick of this A side, B side bull****. Fans jerking off to business moxy instead of wanting to see actual fights.

When someone says “give me 50 mil and I’ll sign tomorrow” and then the other person gives that offer, that’s not “dictating” and your A side ducked.

[Robbie Barrett]

I’m so sick of this A side, B side bull****. Fans jerking off to business moxy instead of wanting to see actual fights.

When someone says “give me 50 mil and I’ll sign tomorrow” and then the other person gives that offer, that’s not “dictating” and your A side ducked.

When someone making the offer refuses to give the terms there's something to hide and there was, they were negotiating with BT which makes a Joshua fight impossible. Clearly a BS offer, only a ****** would think it wasn't.

[N/A]

When someone making the offer refuses to give the terms there's something to hide and there was, they were negotiating with BT which makes a Joshua fight impossible. Clearly a BS offer, only a ****** would think it wasn't.

You're lying Robbie. The term sheet emailed to Hearn, Joshua, etc detailed all of the typical elements you'd include in a boxing term sheet.

The guaranteed purse was listed. The upside % was listed. Who would pick the location was listed. The months the fight could take place in were listed. Whether there could be interim fights or not was listed.

Nobody refused to give the terms. You're making that up.

BT making an offer on the fight doesn't make the fight impossible. Finkel clearly stated the fight could go to Sky if they matched the offer. If Hearn said, "Sky won't match the offer and we won't fight off of Sky," fine. Fights fall apart over smaller details all the time.

But that's not what happened. Hearn said, "We're not willing to fight in America for any amount of money. We want the fight in the UK."

So don't act like UK TV rights are what killed the fight. Hearn and Joshua both publicly admitted what killed the fight. They decided not to accept the offer because they preferred to fight at home for much less money. Which is fine. They're free to do as they please. I just don't see what the point is of you lying about what they did.