Ward's first win over Kovalev is better than a potential win over Usyk

[Real King Kong]

Say what you want about Hopkins and Kovalev's resume at 175, but ask yourself this question. Why has their only been 2 Cruiserweights to be on the P4P list in the last 20 years (maybe further, I didn't check)? Because the CW division sucks and has always ******. It's been the weakest division since its inception.

Light Heavy has always been a tougher division to unify in. Why do you think Tony Bellew was never a champ at 175 and as soon as he gets KO'd by Stevenson, goes up and wins a title in his very next fight?

All of that is irrelevant, if you're not making a case for kovalev's resume prior to ward, then what are you taking about. Tell me why he was any more proven than a guy like Ggg, who was said to have faced nothing but bums.

[Bjl12]

when the hell in the eyes of sane men did Ward win the first fight. LOL, FU.
He lost and was given a gift!

At best it was even. And that's being very generous to Andre

Kovy won a close one, but one can claim it was a draw and it's not outrageous

[Chollo Vista]

All of that is irrelevant, if you're not making a case for kovalev's resume prior to ward, then what are you taking about. Tell me why he was any more proven than a guy like Ggg, who was said to have faced nothing but bums.

This convo is about Kovalev vs Usyk and which win is/would be better. GGG has nothing to do with this.

Kovalev had more Ring Top 10 wins and he did it with a higher KO ratio in a much tougher division than Usyk. These are facts. Kovalev is a better win.

[Chollo Vista]

if you mean lineal at CW, the last two lineal CW champs broke the linage when they moved up to HW (David Haye & Tomas Adamaek)

Ironically though, Haye was beaten twice by another CW champ, Tony Bellew.

If you mean who was the top rated CW before Usyk, it was Lebedev (1) Glowacki (2) and Huck (3) Usyk beat Huck, and Golowacki, and Gassiev beat Lebedev (then Usyk beat Gassiev)

Wrong answer. Try again.

I said, who was the man (champion) at CW before Usyk? Was he beaten or did he retire?

[chrisJS]

Usyk is better than Kovalev ever was and Ward lost to Kovalev clearly.

Ward was also favored to beat Kovalev too. I was in Vegas and the betting lines reflected that.

[Real King Kong]

This convo is about Kovalev vs Usyk and which win is/would be better. GGG has nothing to do with this.

Kovalev had more Ring Top 10 wins and he did it with a higher KO ratio in a much tougher division than Usyk. These are facts. Kovalev is a better win.

Fair enough, I was asking why the double standard...kovalev was no more proven than ggg, regardless of opponent rankings. The lhw division was weak at the time. Ko ratio is irrelevant...usyk doesn't fight in a punchers style. Usyk beat the better competition and he's also a far bigger man. Usyk would hands down be the biggest win of ward's career.

[Chollo Vista]

Fair enough, I was asking why the double standard...kovalev was no more proven than ggg, regardless of opponent rankings. The lhw division was weak at the time. Ko ratio is irrelevant...usyk doesn't fight in a punchers style. Usyk beat the better competition and he's also a far bigger man. Usyk would hands down be the biggest win of ward's career.

Ward came up in weight to beat Kovalev. The slack GGG got was his refusal to go up in weight to fight Ward. So what people were saying is Ward went up in weight and fought a tougher version of GGG in Kovalev since GGG wouldn't come to Ward. That's the argument you're going to find.

Regarding the Light Heavy weight division being weak, I showed you an example of the polar opposite. Someone like Tony Bellew was the #7/#9 Light Heavyweight and got KO'd by Stevenson. In other words, he didn't cut it at 175 as an elite fighter.

He goes up in weight and becomes champion in the very next fight at CW and went on a descent winning streak.

That should tell you which division was the tougher division.

[Real King Kong]

Ward came up in weight to beat Kovalev. The slack GGG got was his refusal to go up in weight to fight Ward. So what people were saying is Ward went up in weight and fought a tougher version of GGG in Kovalev since GGG wouldn't come to Ward. That's the argument you're going to find.

Regarding the Light Heavy weight division being weak, I showed you an example of the polar opposite. Someone like Tony Bellew was the #7/#9 Light Heavyweight and got KO'd by Stevenson. In other words, he didn't cut it at 175 as an elite fighter.

He goes up in weight and becomes champion in the very next fight at CW and went on a descent winning streak.

That should tell you which division was the tougher division.

I was comparing kovalev and ggg, not ggg and ward.

Yea, you gave one of example of a guy vs one opponent...the other top guy in the division that kovalev didn't fight either. You also say Bellew winning at cw is some type of evidence cw is weaker, but he didn't beat any top ranked guys. So he loses to arguably the best guy at lhw and beats some ***** cws...and this means lhw is the stronger division? Not a very strong argument.

[Chollo Vista]

I was comparing kovalev and ggg, not ggg and ward.

Yea, you gave one of example of a guy vs one opponent...the other top guy in the division that kovalev didn't fight either. You also say Bellew winning at cw is some type of evidence cw is weaker, but he didn't beat any top ranked guys. So he loses to arguably the best guy at lhw and beats some ***** cws...and this means lhw is the stronger division? Not a very strong argument.

Makabu was Ring #5.... Bellew made it up to #3 himself. Huge turn around from where he was at Light Heavy.

Edit: Ask yourself, by your own words, if Bellew didn't beat anyone of note, why was he sitting at #3 of the division? Because it's a weak division.

[Real King Kong]

Makabu was Ring #5.... Bellew made it up to #3 himself. Huge turn around from where he was at Light Heavy.

Edit: Ask yourself, by your own words, if Bellew didn't beat anyone of note, why was he sitting at #3 of the division? Because it's a weak division.

Bellew ranked #3 at cw? All the top rated guys faced each other in the super series. Again, your basing your argument of lhw being better than cw on bellew losing to the top lhw at the time and moving up to beat a bunch of mediocre guys at cw. What about the rest of the fighters in those divisions? Anyway, this is a side bar argument...I was saying kovalev hadn't proven much before facing ward, and I stand by that. You're out to lunch if you think ward beating kovalev would be a better win than current usyk.